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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    There's only so much that the government can do without violating personal liberty.
    Since when does our government care about personal liberty? But that's off topic I guess. But I never knew them to care much about silly things like that.

    I actually quite like what Canada does with tobacco products. I'm not sure if it's changed lately, but about 10 years ago they would regulate the chemicals that went into cigarettes and put stickers with horrifying images of what smoking does to the human body (rotten teeth, burnt lungs, etc.). I remember walking down Queen St. in Toronto and so many people tried to bum cigarettes off of me because they were the US ones with all of the chemicals.
    I have no issue with that. Educate people and let them decide.
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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You know why.

    First they demonized it because the busy-body liberals had some orgasms at the thought that they're helping peole AND winning a battle for the proletariat in the class warfare againt the evilcorporations.

    Once tobacco was properly demonized, the rulers that control the guilt-ridden idiots of the big government left, said, "wonderful, the majority now fears tobacco, hates the tobacco companies, and have been perfectly molded into the shape needed to accept our next step. We can start taxing the crap out of tobacco products, and those who complain will be viewed with contempt."

    So the governments have a free hand to raise taxes on the poor. And by "governments", I mean state as well as feds.

    Ya don't think any of those people are going to try to ban the golden goose, are you? Why, in California the legislature was going to spend McCain's "Tobacco Agreement" money on preschool, daycare, tobacco related health care, the environment, education, magic flutes, and elves, too, to a total that was probably ten times the expected revenue. All the states were doing that.
    Expecting any intelligent discussion from you is just not going to happen, is it? *puts him on ignore and smiles knowing he's so upset about this legislation*

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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If tobacco is so bad, why not just ban it outright?
    Why suffer thru all this BS?
    Won't ever happen.

    For all the outrage over "Big Tobacco" there is, people seem to always ignore the fact that "Big Government" is one of the prime benifactors of "Big Tobacco". Government, especially those that like BIG government, take just as much advantage of the addictions to Cigerettes as the companies do. They realize the product is addictive and that no amount of warnings or legislation they do will change the fact that a large amount of people will continue to buy it. This means two things:

    1. They can continue to do bull**** laws like the one above to convince people they're trying to "help" the problem when in reality it will do little to nothing and just gives the politicians cover
    2. They keep their cash cow

    Any person that decries the evils and horrors of "Big Tobacco" but sits by and watches their politician raise taxes on cigerettes and make these "CYA" laws are nothing but blind hypocrites, manipulated by "Big Politician" to believe in this fairy tale that the tobacco companies are great and evil villians with "Big Government" being the savior.

    The only difference between them is Big Government doesn't have to waste money manufacturing the cigerettes to reap the rewards of its addiction.

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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    Another day, another civil right down the drain. When will they stop?

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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catman View Post
    Another day, another civil right down the drain. When will they stop?
    What civil right did they take away?
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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    To be honest this is more of a step in the right direction compared to what we have been doing with tobacco products, in my opinion. This is far better than taxing the hell out of cigarettes, which to me means that the government cares more about making a buck than they do about getting people to quit smoking. Some of the poisons that they put in cigarettes are completely unnecessary and only serve to get people more addicted. It's nice to see that we are kind of following Canada's example.
    All that's going to happen is that the government will make the tobacco people pay for their regulation and kind-hearted oversight, and the tobacco companies will pass that cost, plus 25% on to the saps that buy their products.

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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    All that's going to happen is that the government will make the tobacco people pay for their regulation and kind-hearted oversight, and the tobacco companies will pass that cost, plus 25% on to the saps that buy their products.
    Probably. That's why it's only a step in the right direction. It's far better than just adding more taxes to cigarettes.

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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Expecting any intelligent discussion from you is just not going to happen, is it? *puts him on ignore and smiles knowing he's so upset about this legislation*
    the irony.

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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Expecting any intelligent discussion from you is just not going to happen, is it? *puts him on ignore and smiles knowing he's so upset about this legislation*
    You like being wrong all the time, don't you?

    I provided an intelligent discussion of what the government really wants, and you pretend I'm upset about the legislation.

    Guess what?

    I don't smoke tobaccy, I don't chew the stuff, and I've no use for it whatsoever.

    I enjoy that the government taxes the crap out of tobacco, because the people who voted for those busybody clods in the government raising the taxes are, in large part, smokers who wanted taxes raised on "the rich".

    Nothing could be fairer than raising taxes on the poor who wanted something for nothing. I say double the tobacco tax and see what happens. The rate of smoking won't decrease by a factor of two, not even close.

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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    Every single time I see how much cigarettes cost I am so thankful that I quit. There's no way I could afford to smoke at the rate that I was back then.

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