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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

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    I will admit to being biased on this. Our views are shaped by our personal experience. My father died due to profound emphysema and pneumonia in 1997. He as was given cigarettes for free while serving in Japan at the end of WWII and was never able to kick the habit. Before you point out his personal responsibility, keep in mind the amount of tobacco sponsored propaganda that was around in the 90's--they were fighting the whistle blowers and congress tooth and nail.

    Here's the difference, IMO, between cigarettes and alcohol. You can be arrested for being drunk in public or drunk driving, but not for a coughing fit or excessive wheezing.

    Again, I am biased and my approval of taxing smokers is based on my own personal feelings about the tobacco industry. Besides, if a person is intent on an early demise, we better collect now, before they cash out.

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    Given the issues with social security, I think the government should encourage people to smoke. Let them pay in for 40 years, drop dead early and the rest of us will collect the dough. They should also encourage more trans fats and sugar.
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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If tobacco is so bad, why not just ban it outright?
    Why suffer thru all this BS?

    You know why.

    First they demonized it because the busy-body liberals had some orgasms at the thought that they're helping peole AND winning a battle for the proletariat in the class warfare againt the evilcorporations.

    Once tobacco was properly demonized, the rulers that control the guilt-ridden idiots of the big government left, said, "wonderful, the majority now fears tobacco, hates the tobacco companies, and have been perfectly molded into the shape needed to accept our next step. We can start taxing the crap out of tobacco products, and those who complain will be viewed with contempt."

    So the governments have a free hand to raise taxes on the poor. And by "governments", I mean state as well as feds.

    Ya don't think any of those people are going to try to ban the golden goose, are you? Why, in California the legislature was going to spend McCain's "Tobacco Agreement" money on preschool, daycare, tobacco related health care, the environment, education, magic flutes, and elves, too, to a total that was probably ten times the expected revenue. All the states were doing that.

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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    To be honest this is more of a step in the right direction compared to what we have been doing with tobacco products, in my opinion. This is far better than taxing the hell out of cigarettes, which to me means that the government cares more about making a buck than they do about getting people to quit smoking. Some of the poisons that they put in cigarettes are completely unnecessary and only serve to get people more addicted. It's nice to see that we are kind of following Canada's example.

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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I will admit to being biased on this. Our views are shaped by our personal experience. My father died due to profound emphysema and pneumonia in 1997. He as was given cigarettes for free while serving in Japan at the end of WWII and was never able to kick the habit. Before you point out his personal responsibility, keep in mind the amount of tobacco sponsored propaganda that was around in the 90's--they were fighting the whistle blowers and congress tooth and nail.

    Here's the difference, IMO, between cigarettes and alcohol. You can be arrested for being drunk in public or drunk driving, but not for a coughing fit or excessive wheezing.

    Again, I am biased and my approval of taxing smokers is based on my own personal feelings about the tobacco industry. Besides, if a person is intent on an early demise, we better collect now, before they cash out.
    Your father was fully conversant with the fact that smoking was bad for him.

    Not one single person ever took up the vile disgusting habit without first coughing his brains out. It's a requirement, since no one with a brain will smoke that second cigarette. And sure, my old man died of a heart attack most likely brought about because his tobacco induced emphysema strained his heart to the breaking point.

    The governments tax tobacco because they can take the money, not out of any pious sentiment about the public health.

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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post

    The governments tax tobacco because they can take the money, not out of any pious sentiment about the public health.
    True that. If they cared about public health they would be banned. Simple as that.
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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    True that. If they cared about public health they would be banned. Simple as that.
    People should be free to make their own choices as to whether they want to smoke or not. However, they do also have a right not to be poisoned with toxic chemicals that are unnecessarily put into cigarettes by big tobacco companies. There are plenty of unhealthy things out there. Should we ban those too?

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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    People should be free to make their own choices as to whether they want to smoke or not.
    I agree.

    However, they do also have a right not to be poisoned with toxic chemicals that are unnecessarily put into cigarettes by big tobacco companies. There are plenty of unhealthy things out there. Should we ban those too?
    Nope.

    You misread my post! I was merely agreeing that if the government really cared about public health, like they claim, they would ban cigarettes. That would be consistent with their claim. I was not giving my personal opinion on cigarettes and their legality. I'm a Libertarian. I don't give a **** what you do.
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    Re: Obama to Sign Anti-Smoking Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    You misread my post! I was merely agreeing that if the government really cared about public health, like they claim, they would ban cigarettes. That would be consistent with their claim. I was not giving my personal opinion on cigarettes and their legality.
    There's only so much that the government can do without violating personal liberty. I actually quite like what Canada does with tobacco products. I'm not sure if it's changed lately, but about 10 years ago they would regulate the chemicals that went into cigarettes and put stickers with horrifying images of what smoking does to the human body (rotten teeth, burnt lungs, etc.). I remember walking down Queen St. in Toronto and so many people tried to bum cigarettes off of me because they were the US ones with all of the chemicals.

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