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    West 'seeks Iran disintegration'

    Western powers are seeking to undermine Iran by spreading "anarchy and vandalism", the foreign ministry says.

    A spokesman said foreign media were "mouthpieces" of enemy governments seeking Iran's disintegration.

    He spoke as Tehran remained tense but quiet amid heavy security aimed at preventing new protests against the result of Iran's presidential election.

    Challenger Mir Hossein Mousavi says the vote was rigged in favour of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and must be re-run.

    Mr Mousavi has told his supporters, who have taken to the streets in their tens of thousands for more than a week, to continue their protests but not to put their lives in danger.
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    'Contacting the enemy'

    Speaking at a news conference on Monday, foreign ministry spokesman Hassan Qashqavi accused Western governments of explicitly backing violent protests aimed at undermining the stability of Iran's Islamic Republic.

    "Spreading anarchy and vandalism by Western powers and also Western media... these are not at all accepted," he said.


    How can they say they are unbiased when their TV channel is like a war headquarters?
    Hassan Qashqavi
    Iranian Foreign Ministry

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    He said the West was acting in an "anti-democratic" manner, instead praising Iran's commitment to democracy and stressing once again that the results of the presidential election were unimpeachable.

    Iran has strongly criticised the US and UK governments in recent days, and Mr Qashqavi reserved special scorn for the BBC and for the Voice of America network, which he called "government channels".

    The BBC and other foreign media have been reporting from Iran under severe restrictions for the past week. The BBC's permanent correspondent in Iran, Jon Leyne, was asked to leave the country on Sunday.

    "They [the BBC and the VOA] are the mouthpiece of their government's public diplomacy," Mr Qashqavi said.

    "They have two guidelines regarding Iran. One is to intensify ethnical and racial rifts within Iran and secondly to disintegrate the Iranian territories."

    "Any contact with these channels, under any pretext or in any form, means contacting the enemy of the Iranian nation.

    "How can they say they are unbiased when their TV channel is like a war headquarters and in fact they are blatantly commanding riots. Therefore their claims are absolutely wrong. Their governments have ratified decisions so that they can act in this way."
    BBC NEWS | Middle East | West 'seeks Iran disintegration'

    Ok Mr. Obama enough with the "non-meddling" BS rhetoric.



    The People of the USA stand behind those in opposition to the "Theocratic Dictatorship of Iran." Also the USA needs to put in doubt "the talks" through language..
    Ironically he needs to talk like he is to North Korea right now with Iran.
    He needs to put aside his self infatuation.

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    Triad, I am a conservative like yourself, in fact we probably have a lot of similar opinions on these issues, including Iran and NK. But Obama is our Commander and Chief, I believe you should have more respect for him. Neither one of us is privy to even 20% of the information that is more than likely laid on the Presidents desk every morning, so let's not just "assume" that Obama is doing nothing and end the insults on him. For all we know he is doing quite a bit behind the scenes. I did not vote for this man, but I also do not believe he is some retard who is like "OK.. well.. umm. they have Nukes now.. but I'm scared and I don't wanna do nothing because I don't know what to do..." I mean let's get serious here man. I know we both support the Iranian people, and would like a more solid stance against NK, but keep in mind our economy is not in the best shape, and we are still fighting quite heavily in Iraq and just sent 23,000 more troops to Afganistan, I don't think any leader, even George W. Would have wanted to possibly have to send more troops to NK or Iran atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwing86 View Post
    Triad, I am a conservative like yourself, in fact we probably have a lot of similar opinions on these issues, including Iran and NK. But Obama is our Commander and Chief, I believe you should have more respect for him. Neither one of us is privy to even 20% of the information that is more than likely laid on the Presidents desk every morning, so let's not just "assume" that Obama is doing nothing and end the insults on him. For all we know he is doing quite a bit behind the scenes. I did not vote for this man, but I also do not believe he is some retard who is like "OK.. well.. umm. they have Nukes now.. but I'm scared and I don't wanna do nothing because I don't know what to do..." I mean let's get serious here man. I know we both support the Iranian people, and would like a more solid stance against NK, but keep in mind our economy is not in the best shape, and we are still fighting quite heavily in Iraq and just sent 23,000 more troops to Afganistan, I don't think any leader, even George W. Would have wanted to possibly have to send more troops to NK or Iran atm.
    If he's doing something "behind the scenes" then he is an even bigger mistake.

    Whatever else the Islamic Republic is, it is most assuredly the result of a populist uprising in Iran 30 years ago. At one time, at least, it was the unequivocal will of the people. Whether it remains the will of the people today is the question the protesters will answer (assuming they take to the streets again).

    We are not talking about a military junta in a banana republic, we are not talking about a garden variety dictator, we are talking about a theocratic regime that rose to power because that is what the people of Iran, once upon a time, desired.

    Thus the only question of substance in this is the direction of the will of the people. Do they desire the Islamic Republic to continue? Do they seek its end? Do they seek to reform the Republic and return it to an earlier phase in its evolution?

    These are not questions on which the United States or any nation can compel a specific answer, or which can the United States can influence through covert methods. Whatever productive influence the outside world will have will be public, in declarations made and diplomatic pressures applied, in support of the will of the Iranian people whatever it may be.

    The public statements by Dear Leader on Iran have been reactive and reluctant. Instead of taking a stand, articulating core American principles that coincide with the demands of the protesters, using American ideals to find common cause with the protesters, he has attempted to avoid the issue altogether. His latest and strongest statement would have been workmanlike for the occasion--except it was delivered a week late, thus rendering what little strength it otherwise possessed impotent.

    This crap logic of withholding judgment because he "might" be doing something "behind the scenes" is crap because if that is what he is doing, then he's doing something wrong. If he is doing that he is meddling, which is the worst possible solution--he'd be more helpful to the Iranians body surfing off Diamond Head than meddling sub rosa in their politics.

    If he's not speaking publicly, and proudly, on Iran, he's making a mistake. He's spoken publicly on Iran, now he needs to up the pride factor. It is through America's history that Thomas Jefferson's words reverberate to the world:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
    Iran's desire is our history; Iran's hope is our heritage. From the outset, that should have been the American message in this. It is not a message to be uttered in whispers behind closed doors. Any other message is the wrong message.

    Dear Leader is properly and roundly criticized for his artless response to Iran. When a people voiced their desire for freedom, Dear Leader once again voted "present."

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    Re: West 'seeks Iran disintegration'

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
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    BBC NEWS | Middle East | West 'seeks Iran disintegration'

    Ok Mr. Obama enough with the "non-meddling" BS rhetoric.



    The People of the USA stand behind those in opposition to the "Theocratic Dictatorship of Iran." Also the USA needs to put in doubt "the talks" through language..
    Ironically he needs to talk like he is to North Korea right now with Iran.
    He needs to put aside his self infatuation.
    This whole thing is way too big for Obama. This real-life stuff isn't what he bargained for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwing86 View Post
    Triad, I am a conservative like yourself, in fact we probably have a lot of similar opinions on these issues, including Iran and NK. But Obama is our Commander and Chief, I believe you should have more respect for him. Neither one of us is privy to even 20% of the information that is more than likely laid on the Presidents desk every morning, so let's not just "assume" that Obama is doing nothing and end the insults on him. For all we know he is doing quite a bit behind the scenes. I did not vote for this man, but I also do not believe he is some retard who is like "OK.. well.. umm. they have Nukes now.. but I'm scared and I don't wanna do nothing because I don't know what to do..." I mean let's get serious here man. I know we both support the Iranian people, and would like a more solid stance against NK, but keep in mind our economy is not in the best shape, and we are still fighting quite heavily in Iraq and just sent 23,000 more troops to Afganistan, I don't think any leader, even George W. Would have wanted to possibly have to send more troops to NK or Iran atm.
    Obama betrayed my nations troops in Iraq..He stood with the We're Losers and demeaned them as they FOUGHT
    ...I will never respect him and find anyone who does odious.
    Obama is hooked to a drug called Fame..Britney Spears in drag.


    He's talking tough with North Korea..but I doubt he will stick it out.
    He's muted with Iran and that is a disgrace.
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    Re: West 'seeks Iran disintegration'

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Obama betrayed my nations troops in Iraq..He stood with the We're Losers and demeaned them as they FOUGHT
    ...I will never respect him and find anyone who does odious.
    Obama demeaned who? And how did Obama demean whoever it is you are referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Obama demeaned who? And how did Obama demean whoever it is you are referring to?
    Nobody is that stupid.

    Stop Trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Nobody is that stupid.

    Stop Trolling.
    I know of no one that Obama has demeaned, so who is it and how? Why can't you answer a simple question without stooping to insults? If he did this, you would think you could back up your claim.

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    Re: West 'seeks Iran disintegration'

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The public statements by Dear Leader on Iran have been reactive and reluctant. Instead of taking a stand, articulating core American principles that coincide with the demands of the protesters, using American ideals to find common cause with the protesters, he has attempted to avoid the issue altogether. His latest and strongest statement would have been workmanlike for the occasion--except it was delivered a week late, thus rendering what little strength it otherwise possessed impotent.
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    Dear Leader is properly and roundly criticized for his artless response to Iran. When a people voiced their desire for freedom, Dear Leader once again voted "present."

    Yep

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
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    Yep
    Celticlord whines about Obama continuously, and as usual, his logic is faulty. Obama has done exactly as he should throughout this crisis, and mostly just a few hyper-partisan's are complaining about what he as done. Keep up using this as just another chance to throw a hissy because you don't like the president though.

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