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Sorry you got caught in YOUR OWN QUOTE.
You're not even man enough to admit you made a mistake in YOUR OWN QUOTE.

Sad that "Go suck an egg" is your best quip to positing out YOUR ERROR.

Keep trolling, I'll keep reporting your ass for this childishness.

I never claimed to be a video expert, and you keep trying to say I did. Keep it up.

I never stated "As a video expert it is my proffessional assertion that this video is fake".

We're on an OPINION BASED DEBATE forum. So BUGGER OFF troll.
 
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It's pretty easy to tell when one is giving their opinion. I understand the English language perfectly well, and I always knew Mr. V was giving his opinion on this issue. Let me remind you that I wasn't the one that went off the deep end shrieking about whether he was a video expert or not.

We all know why you side with Mr. V. Don't even try to play that game. He wasn't stating an opinion, he was stating it as a fact, when it wasn't one.
 
It's pretty easy to tell when one is giving their opinion. I understand the English language perfectly well, and I always knew Mr. V was giving his opinion on this issue. Let me remind you that I wasn't the one that went off the deep end shrieking about whether he was a video expert or not.

Not all opinions have equal merit.
 
Keep trolling, I'll keep reporting your ass for this childishness.

I never claimed to be an expert, and you keep trying to say I did. Keep it up.

No you just claimed it was fake. Only an expert could do that, so obviously you thought yourself as one.

You can report all you want, I used YOUR QUOTE and took it for what it was.
 
We all know why you side with Mr. V. Don't even try to play that game. He wasn't stating an opinion, he was stating it as a fact, when it wasn't one.

What game are you talking about? I'm "siding" with him because I know he was stating his opinion. I didn't say I agreed with it.
 
No you just claimed it was fake. Only an expert could do that, so obviously you thought yourself as one.

You can report all you want, I used YOUR QUOTE and took it for what it was.

Frankly, it causes me near physical pain that people in the U.S. are questioning this footage, as if the Iranian people aren't dealing with enough, but you need to cool your jets. The guy has no credibility on this subject.
 
What game are you talking about? I'm "siding" with him because I know he was stating his opinion. I didn't say I agreed with it.

And "how do you know it was his opinion" when he said IS FAKE?

How is that an opinion?

On a board if someone thinks it is an opinion, they say In my opinion, or IMO.

He said it IS FAKE. That is an absolute.
 
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Heart shots are not "instant kills", especially if the bullet actually transects the aorta and/or pulmonary artery rather than damaging the cardiac muscle itself.

Given that a moderate velocity round would go completely through a person, the amount of blood is not unusual.

I would tend to agree that with adequate velocity and heavy enough grain andnot encountering heavy bone it can indeed pas through.
 
No you just claimed it was fake. Only an expert could do that, so obviously you thought yourself as one.

You can report all you want, I used YOUR QUOTE and took it for what it was.

No, I even stated repeatedly I was not claiming to be an expert.

I KNOW that I find the video to be staged.

I KNOW that I presented a breakdown of the video and left it to the rest of you to decide if you agree with me or not.

What, do we have to say from now on all posts "I think..."

Before everything unless we are certified experts in something?

The TNE Rule?


You, are a troll, nothing more.
 
Not all opinions have equal merit.

Okay. What does that have to do with anything? He gave an opinion based on the photos he posted. You can agree or not, based on the same information, or on other information you might have access to. Personally, I don't agree with him, but I recognize that he's welcome to his opinion regardless of my own.
 
What game are you talking about? I'm "siding" with him because I know he was stating his opinion. I didn't say I agreed with it.
It is worth noting at this juncture that even MrV is saying he hopes he's wrong.

Soo....TNE says the vid is real...MrV believes it isn't but hopes he's wrong, Catz, myself, hiswoman, and a few others agree its most likely real....

What's the argument about again?:confused:
 
Okay. What does that have to do with anything? He gave an opinion based on the photos he posted. You can agree or not, based on the same information, or on other information you might have access to. Personally, I don't agree with him, but I recognize that he's welcome to his opinion regardless of my own.
His opinion isn't based upon any kind of medical knowledge. Thus, not all opinions have equal merit. Some are informed, some are pulled from the nether regions behind the anus.
 
And "how do you know it was his opinion" when he said IS FAKE?

How is that an opinion?

On a board if someone thinks it is an opinion, they say In my opinion, or IMO.

He said it IS FAKE. That is an absolute.

Whatever. You're obviously intent on being ridiculous about this, so I won't stand in the way of your tantrum. :2wave:
 
What, do we have to say from now on all posts "I think..."
Before everything unless we are certified experts in something?

If you think something is an opinion, you say IMO. If you think something is fact you say it IS.

You, are a troll, nothing more.

Reported for insulting.
 
It is worth noting at this juncture that even MrV is saying he hopes he's wrong.

Soo....TNE says the vid is real...MrV believes it isn't but hopes he's wrong, Catz, myself, hiswoman, and a few others agree its most likely real....

What's the argument about again?:confused:

Beats the hell out of me.
 
I would tend to agree that with adequate velocity and heavy enough grain andnot encountering heavy bone it can indeed pas through.
9mm, .357Magnum, 7.62mm, 5.56mm and at close range even a .38 caliber round will all pass through the body.
 
Frankly, it causes me near physical pain that people in the U.S. are questioning this footage, as if the Iranian people aren't dealing with enough, but you need to cool your jets. The guy has no credibility on this subject.

Catz, I am with you on that one. "The guy" has not presented any evidence that he understands balistics or projectiles penetration of flesh and bone.

He may know but has not presented anything credible to support his contention of fakefoolery!!
 
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Whatever. You're obviously intent on being ridiculous about this, so I won't stand in the way of your tantrum. :2wave:

Nope its called the English language, sorry you don't like it.
 
His opinion isn't based upon any kind of medical knowledge. It's abundantly clear from reading it. Thus, not all opinions have equal merit. Some are informed, some are pulled from the nether regions behind the anus.

I didn't pull anything out of my ass, a heart shot is pretty much insta kill.

"IF" it missed the heart... it's not a heart shot. The original post for the video states it's a heart shot.

And it's a through and through. That's not up for debate.


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Nearly all gunshot wounds penetrating the heart are fatal. Large caliber and high velocity penetrating trauma to the heart cause too much damage to allow a quick repair. An occasional victim, shot from a great distance or with a small caliber weapon will survive.

The heart shielded by the skin, muscles and bone of the chest, is surrounded by pericardium, a tough, slick sack that protects, lubricates and holds the heart in position. A puncture of the pericardium is not fatal and the bullet can usually be found in the pericardial fluid or partially embedded in the heart muscle (myocardium). Any amount of bleeding from a perforation of the heart muscle or great vessels rapidly fills the pericardium with blood and compresses the heart itself, preventing it from filling (pericardial tampanade). This causes and abrupt loss of blood pressure, unconsciousness and death. The treatment in this case if you still have a live patient is to open the chest and percardium and plug the hole, usually with a finger until you can get to the operating room. A suture repair of the hole is required to stop the impressive bleeding. Following surgery drains are placed, large plastic tubes, and applied to suction and the chest is closed. The patient will spend a variable amount of time in the intensive care unit depending on the location and severity of the injury to the heart. The patient may have other injuries or might have brain damage because of loss of blood pressure. Hope this helps.
General Surgery: Heart gun shot, gunshot wounds, caliber weapon
 
His opinion isn't based upon any kind of medical knowledge. Thus, not all opinions have equal merit. Some are informed, some are pulled from the nether regions behind the anus.


Can you point to where I stated that all opinions have equal merit? If you can't, then I'd say you're arguing a point I never made.
 
"The Dude," on the other hand, is always credible.
Yeah, he looks credible....

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I didn't pull anything out of my ass, a heart shot is pretty much insta kill.

The heart has several different chambers, along with vessels leading to and into the heart. The aorta exits the heart, filled with highly pressurized, bright red oxygenated blood. A hit on the aorta is, in fact, a "heart" shot, and would be referred to as an insta kill, though it can take a minute or more. A shot that hits the aorta is going to result in a bleed of very highly pressurized blood exiting the heart at great pressure. If the esophagus or lungs were also hit, the blood would flow into those areas, and up out of the mouth/nose. AKA footage.

Geez.
 
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Can you point to where I stated that all opinions have equal merit? If you can't, then I'd say you're arguing a point I never made.

Did I say I was arguing? I was making a generalized statement.
 
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