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    Re: Her name was Neda - in death she is rallying cry for Iranian protests

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    I would tend to agree that with adequate velocity and heavy enough grain andnot encountering heavy bone it can indeed pas through.
    9mm, .357Magnum, 7.62mm, 5.56mm and at close range even a .38 caliber round will all pass through the body.

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    Re: Her name was Neda - in death she is rallying cry for Iranian protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Frankly, it causes me near physical pain that people in the U.S. are questioning this footage, as if the Iranian people aren't dealing with enough, but you need to cool your jets. The guy has no credibility on this subject.
    Catz, I am with you on that one. "The guy" has not presented any evidence that he understands balistics or projectiles penetration of flesh and bone.

    He may know but has not presented anything credible to support his contention of fakefoolery!!
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    Re: Her name was Neda - in death she is rallying cry for Iranian protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Whatever. You're obviously intent on being ridiculous about this, so I won't stand in the way of your tantrum.
    Nope its called the English language, sorry you don't like it.

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    Re: Her name was Neda - in death she is rallying cry for Iranian protests

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    "The guy" has not presented any evidence that he understands balistics or projectiles penetration of flesh and bone.
    "The Dude," on the other hand, is always credible.

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    Re: Her name was Neda - in death she is rallying cry for Iranian protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    His opinion isn't based upon any kind of medical knowledge. It's abundantly clear from reading it. Thus, not all opinions have equal merit. Some are informed, some are pulled from the nether regions behind the anus.
    I didn't pull anything out of my ass, a heart shot is pretty much insta kill.

    "IF" it missed the heart... it's not a heart shot. The original post for the video states it's a heart shot.

    And it's a through and through. That's not up for debate.


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    Nearly all gunshot wounds penetrating the heart are fatal. Large caliber and high velocity penetrating trauma to the heart cause too much damage to allow a quick repair. An occasional victim, shot from a great distance or with a small caliber weapon will survive.

    The heart shielded by the skin, muscles and bone of the chest, is surrounded by pericardium, a tough, slick sack that protects, lubricates and holds the heart in position. A puncture of the pericardium is not fatal and the bullet can usually be found in the pericardial fluid or partially embedded in the heart muscle (myocardium). Any amount of bleeding from a perforation of the heart muscle or great vessels rapidly fills the pericardium with blood and compresses the heart itself, preventing it from filling (pericardial tampanade). This causes and abrupt loss of blood pressure, unconsciousness and death. The treatment in this case if you still have a live patient is to open the chest and percardium and plug the hole, usually with a finger until you can get to the operating room. A suture repair of the hole is required to stop the impressive bleeding. Following surgery drains are placed, large plastic tubes, and applied to suction and the chest is closed. The patient will spend a variable amount of time in the intensive care unit depending on the location and severity of the injury to the heart. The patient may have other injuries or might have brain damage because of loss of blood pressure. Hope this helps.
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    Re: Her name was Neda - in death she is rallying cry for Iranian protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    His opinion isn't based upon any kind of medical knowledge. Thus, not all opinions have equal merit. Some are informed, some are pulled from the nether regions behind the anus.

    Can you point to where I stated that all opinions have equal merit? If you can't, then I'd say you're arguing a point I never made.
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    Re: Her name was Neda - in death she is rallying cry for Iranian protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    "The Dude," on the other hand, is always credible.
    Yeah, he looks credible....


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    Re: Her name was Neda - in death she is rallying cry for Iranian protests

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I didn't pull anything out of my ass, a heart shot is pretty much insta kill.
    The heart has several different chambers, along with vessels leading to and into the heart. The aorta exits the heart, filled with highly pressurized, bright red oxygenated blood. A hit on the aorta is, in fact, a "heart" shot, and would be referred to as an insta kill, though it can take a minute or more. A shot that hits the aorta is going to result in a bleed of very highly pressurized blood exiting the heart at great pressure. If the esophagus or lungs were also hit, the blood would flow into those areas, and up out of the mouth/nose. AKA footage.

    Geez.
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    Re: Her name was Neda - in death she is rallying cry for Iranian protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Can you point to where I stated that all opinions have equal merit? If you can't, then I'd say you're arguing a point I never made.
    Did I say I was arguing? I was making a generalized statement.

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    Re: Her name was Neda - in death she is rallying cry for Iranian protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Did I say I was arguing? I was making a generalized statement.
    It took you two posts to make the same generalized statement?
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

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