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Greece demands UK return Elgin marbles

I have to go out to watch angels and demons, see you later sweetie:lol:
 
All the legacies of the various countries should be returned to them unless that country gifts them. For example, there are numerous examples of Greek pottery in the Royal Museum in Toronto and Greece could just allow them to keep them since they have numerous examples of their own. The Brits should give back the marbles and be done with it. I will be attending the Brit Museum as soon as I can since I am a researcher on the ancient world, in particular, Greece. But it would be so much better if the marbles were closer to the place where they are found. Archaeologically, that makes far more sense. By the way, the Germans need to do that same since the Nazi bastards stole some amazing relics.

I also think that the Turks should return Hagia Sophia to the Orthodox church as well as all the other churches they have vandalized. They claim to be a secular society, but in a Muslim country that doesn't amount to much more than allowing posters of half naked women and booze. Beyond that, it's a Muslim country.
 
I also think that the Turks should return Hagia Sophia to the Orthodox church as well as all the other churches they have vandalized.

Erm ... why?
Is the Cordoba going to turn back into a Mosque? How about the Al Asqa Mosque be knocked down for the Jewish Temple ... Even better, lets just hand Mecca to the Pagans -.-'

I guess you are in the minority, relics will not be returned to the country of origin when there has been a hundreds/possibly thousand year gap from when it was taken. It will destroy Museums around the world and historical relics of the world.

Oh and BL, NO we should not give back the Queens jewels.

But as i said previously, you can keep the moral ground. It means little as long as the priceless artefacts is in our possession.
 
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But as i said previously, you can keep the moral ground. It means little as long as the Art is in our possession.
need I say more:lol:
 
I believe you mean 'And you have yet to get out of it'

:roll:
 
Nothing else of value to add?

So apart from this fictitious argument of 'morality' on possessions, is there any other ground Greece has for the marbles? No legal basis? Isn't that a shame
 
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So apart from this fictitious argument of 'morality' on possessions, is there any other ground Greece has for the marbles? No legal basis? Isn't that a shame

No answer?
 
your posting to yourself now, need I say more:lol:
 
Answer my question.

Apart from this bull**** moral idea you have wheeled out, what legal basis does Greece have for the possession of the marbles in comparison to the British Museum.

LEGAL basis if you please.
 
Answer my question.

Apart from this bull**** moral idea you have wheeled out, what legal basis does Greece have for the possession of the marbles in comparison to the British Museum.

LEGAL basis if you please.
did you stamp both feet this time:lol:
 
Are you incapable of staying on topic?

There are a number of off topic threads on this forum.

I asked you a very simple question. What legal basis does Greece have for the Elgin Marbles in comparison to the British? Kindly answer my question or don't but do not ruin my thread by pointless posts.
 
Are you incapable of staying on topic?

There are a number of off topic threads on this forum.

I asked you a very simple question. What legal basis does Greece have for the Elgin Marbles in comparison to the British? Kindly answer my question or don't but do not ruin my thread by pointless posts.
The new Acropolis Museum will resolve this.

Go back and read my posts, I stated for me it is not a question of legality:lol:
 
How will a new Museum resolve the legal dispute over ownership?
Which is why this conversation is pointless.

This world and the art posessions does not rule on this idea of "Morality". It runs on the law and the law is not on the Greeks side. Those are facts. We should never give them up, we should loan them sure. But not give them back. This is not a charity. The same for Rosetta Stone. They are staying in Britain and the Kohinoor diamonds.

The British Museum contains some of the greatest displays of civilizations and humanities achievements and development in the world. Artifacts from across the world is assimilated into a single building and accessible for free to anyone who wish to view them

More people enjoy it in the British Museum amid other priceless arts than they would if they were returned to Greece.

So for me, we should never give it back. They won't get it back no matter how much "pressure" they try on UK. They should be thanking UK, It would have been destroyed if it wasn't taken away ... not to mention Britain played a role in their independence.

Edit: Oh and i wonder if Greece will hand back many of the priceless artefacts it has from Egypt in its ownership - It is not "morally" theirs right? ....
 
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The Marbles was paid for by Elgin with full permission of the Empire, the ruling body at the time - It was not illegal then, it is not illegal now. Elgin then sold it legally to the British Museum who since then has protected it.

As i said, no court will say Greece has right to it.
And even if the British Museum wanted to hand it back, it cannot.

Greece should start this ball rolling and hand back every piece of art that is not Greek ... I wonder how many will go along with it.
 
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Greece should start this ball rolling and hand back every piece of art that is not Greek ... I wonder how many will go along with it.

Sounds good to me.
 
Laila has made a very good case as to why these items now belong to the British. They were legally purchased.

That said, they are a major part of Greek history and I can understand why the Greeks feel so strongly about wanting them back. They were originally taken illegally.

In the U.S., for example, if someone steals the property of another, then sells it to someone else, the original owner still has a legal ownership right to the property. There are legal proceedings to to address the money the legal "purchaser" is out, but the bottom line is that the courts recognize that third party interest does not negate original ownership rights. Now I understand that this has nothing to do with the situation between the U.K. and Greece, but I'm just providing a backdrop so you understand where I get my point of view from.

Ideally the U.K. would work out an arrangement with Greece on these marbles or sell them back maybe. I don't know.

I don't view the U.K. as wrong in wanting to retain them, and I don't view Greece as wrong in wanting to recover them.
 
Ideally the U.K. would work out an arrangement with Greece on these marbles or sell them back maybe. I don't know.

We shouldn't sell them. We should loan them for half a year to Greece to display in their Museum but only if they recognise that it is legally UK's otherwise what guarantee do we have it will be returned?

The Greek government won't go to an international court on this as it knows full well under international law they were acquired legally from the internationally recognised government of the area at the time.

Maybe we should hand it to the Turks ... :mrgreen:
 
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