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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I'm sorry but could you please explain how a woman that WILLINGLY puts on a Burqa is encroaching upon a secularist society?
    Encountering a fully veiled women who is 'NOT PERMITTED' to look you in the eye for religious reasons, encroaches on secular belief.

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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Religious beliefs are often not free. You must understand this fundamental. Subjugation is often behind the persuasive power.
    Conversely there will obviously be an element of servitude.

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    Religious subjugation in France?

    Muslim theocratic oppression.....in France?

    France.

    errr.....yeah. That's a persuasive argument!

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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Encountering a fully veiled women who is 'NOT PERMITTED' to look you in the eye for religious reasons, encroaches on secular belief.

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    So does a christian who doesn't eat meat on Good Friday, because they are not permitted to by religion, encroaching on secular society?

    You don't understand the term willing, do you?

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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    There is always an element of servitude. It is a human characteristic.

    Remember religion is the reflection of culture and nothing more and nothing less.
    TO simplistic. Culture is diversity not a singular belief.

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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Encountering a fully veiled women who is 'NOT PERMITTED' to look you in the eye for religious reasons, encroaches on secular belief.

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    And whose belief is encroached?

    Not the woman--she chooses to wear the burqa just as she chooses to look at something besides your ugly mug.

    Not you--because you can still look at your ugly mug any time you pass by a mirror.

    So whose belief is encroached here?

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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    TO simplistic. Culture is diversity not a singular belief.

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    I never said culture is a singular belief, nor did I say religion is a singular belief.

    Religion is just as complex as culture is. Religion dictates one how to live (dietary habits, fashion, how you treat your women).
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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So does a christian who doesn't eat meat on Good Friday, because they are not permitted to by religion, encroaching on secular society?

    You don't understand the term willing, do you?
    your displaying a disingenuous approach. You eat in the confines of your own home, or restaurant, hence NO impact on society.

    The wearing of conflictual attire presents confrontation.

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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Not America's problem.

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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    The wearing of conflictual attire presents confrontation.

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    Umm it is a CHOICE what a person wears. IF they WILLINGLY put on a Burqa how are they encroaching on society if they choose to wear it?

    You fail to come up with a logical reasoning.

    If you are saying they are encroaching because their religion says they have to then you have to say EQUALLY that a Christain that can't eat meat on Good Friday because of their religion is encroaching on society.

    Tell me, do you feel women should be FORCED to wear bikinis because you can't see all their body? If not, why do you dictate what they can and can't wear?

    YOU are in fact encroaching ON THEIR beliefs when you have no reason to do so.

    Fine, make it so they can't wear it in a federal building, but that has NOTHING to do with what they wear in public.
    Last edited by TheNextEra; 06-20-09 at 10:07 PM.

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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    And whose belief is encroached?

    Not the woman--she chooses to wear the burqa just as she chooses to look at something besides your ugly mug.

    Not you--because you can still look at your ugly mug any time you pass by a mirror.

    So whose belief is encroached here?

    You missed the point [like i expected] choice is often non existent.

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