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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Freedom of religion is important, but not when it impacts "secularist" society?

    Is secularist society so fragile that it cannot withstand the presence of God?

    Says a lot about the quality of secularist society, non?
    No, nothing to do with fragility. If a society deems encroachment upon secularist principles it has the right to deflect unwanted intrusiveness.

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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    No, nothing to do with fragility. If a society deems encroachment upon secularist principles it has the right to deflect unwanted intrusiveness.
    So secularism is more important than religion? No. This is wrong.

    It does not damage society for a free people to make free display of their religious beliefs. It does not give offense to any secular notion for a woman to show the modesty commander her by her religion. It does not give offense to any secular ideal for men to proclaim their devotion in public spaces.

    Any assertion to the contrary is flatly, categorically, and completely in error.

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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    No, nothing to do with fragility. If a society deems encroachment upon secularist principles it has the right to deflect unwanted intrusiveness.

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    You are branding religion as those made of superstitions and metaphysical entities that have yet to be proven through empirical analysis... (and that this the very soul of Religion, and not of it's alternative)

    Your branding is horribly wrong. Even secularism requires the belief in a system; the infallibility of that system and it's superior legitimacy than the anti-thesis of secularism.

    Basically. Takes as much faith to denounce a God, as it does to believe in It.
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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    No, nothing to do with fragility. If a society deems encroachment upon secularist principles it has the right to deflect unwanted intrusiveness.

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    I'm sorry but could you please explain how a woman that WILLINGLY puts on a Burqa is encroaching upon a secularist society?

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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I'm sorry but could you please explain how a woman that WILLINGLY puts on a Burqa is encroaching upon a secularist society?
    Your mom willingly puts on a burqa
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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Your mom willingly puts on a burqa
    That would be a neat trick since she's dead.

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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That would be a neat trick since she's dead.
    I didn't mean "your mom" as in "your mom". i meant "your mom" as in..............


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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    So secularism is more important than religion? No. This is wrong.

    It does not damage society for a free people to make free display of their religious beliefs. It does not give offense to any secular notion for a woman to show the modesty commander her by her religion. It does not give offense to any secular ideal for men to proclaim their devotion in public spaces.

    Any assertion to the contrary is flatly, categorically, and completely in error.
    Religious beliefs are often not free. You must understand this fundamental. Subjugation is often behind the persuasive power.
    Conversely there will obviously be an element of servitude.

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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Religious beliefs are often not free. You must understand this fundamental. Subjugation is often behind the persuasive power.
    Conversely there will obviously be an element of servitude.

    Paul.
    Again you fail to answer how a woman that WILLINGLY puts on a burqa is encroaching on a secularist society.

    Do you feel that a person that wears a baseball cap willingly encroaches on a secularist society?

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    Re: France considers banning the burqa

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Religious beliefs are often not free. You must understand this fundamental. Subjugation is often behind the persuasive power.
    Conversely there will obviously be an element of servitude.

    Paul.
    There is always an element of servitude. It is a human characteristic.

    Remember religion is the reflection of culture and nothing more and nothing less.
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