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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    CBS News Exclusive: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    IMO -- this is the right thing to say and the right time to say it. He understands the complicated situation in a Theocracy and walked the right line here. A little bit more, a little bit earlier? Perhaps. But to overshoot on this one would have potentially caused more problems then doing what he's done--playing his cards close to the vest.

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    I agree with you here. Based on my own (admittedly limited) knowledge of our realistic options in this matter, I think the best thing to do is to make our views known and then stay out of it. Iran's leaders have projected blame for the their post-election tumult onto the U.S. Any action on our part would only serve their purposes. It is not our right to tell them how to run their own country.

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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    I agree with you here. Based on my own (admittedly limited) knowledge of our realistic options in this matter, I think the best thing to do is to make our views known and then stay out of it. Iran's leaders have projected blame for the their post-election tumult onto the U.S. Any action on our part would only serve their purposes. It is not our right to tell them how to run their own country.
    but it is our right to criticise civil right abuses
    and killing protesters to ensure a stolen election stays 'legit' demands a statement.
    I do hope the Iranian protesters plea to have every capitol city in the world basking in Green Light on Sunday does happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    but it is our right to criticise civil right abuses
    and killing protesters to ensure a stolen election stays 'legit' demands a statement.
    I do hope the Iranian protesters plea to have every capitol city in the world basking in Green Light on Sunday does happen
    Certainly, which is why I advocated making our position known

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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Exactly what could Obama say that wouldn't make things worse for Mousawi?
    "I love Mousawi"
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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    but it is our right to criticise civil right abuses
    and killing protesters to ensure a stolen election stays 'legit' demands a statement.
    I do hope the Iranian protesters plea to have every capitol city in the world basking in Green Light on Sunday does happen
    I'm not saying you're wrong--but there are still a lot of questions on the 'stolen election' theory. 66% - 33%, if true, we're talking about pretty ballsy ballot stuffing here. If there was only a few areas were the voting process was corrupted, then that's still a pretty big margin.

    Information is still pretty limited, the accusation has been made without much proof or testimony. Until we know for sure if the election was a sham and exactly how this was accomplished, then we must reserve our final judgement, if you will.

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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I'm not saying you're wrong--but there are still a lot of questions on the 'stolen election' theory. 66% - 33%, if true, we're talking about pretty ballsy ballot stuffing here. If there was only a few areas were the voting process was corrupted, then that's still a pretty big margin.

    Information is still pretty limited, the accusation has been made without much proof or testimony. Until we know for sure if the election was a sham and exactly how this was accomplished, then we must reserve our final judgement, if you will.
    maybe nobody counted any ballots and they just picked the 'final numbers' out of thin air to keep their guy in power

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Exactly what could Obama say that wouldn't make things worse for Mousawi?
    Mousavi is part of the problem. These protests have gone far beyond support for Mousavi they are now in the realm of opposition to the theocratic closed circle of power.

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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I'm not saying you're wrong--but there are still a lot of questions on the 'stolen election' theory. 66% - 33%, if true, we're talking about pretty ballsy ballot stuffing here.
    There were 95%+ voter turnouts in over 200 districts. It's a farce.

    The Iranian election by the numbers - World - Macleans.ca

    Iran election turnouts exceeded 100% in 30 towns, website reports | World news | guardian.co.uk
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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Information is still pretty limited, the accusation has been made without much proof or testimony. Until we know for sure if the election was a sham and exactly how this was accomplished, then we must reserve our final judgement, if you will.
    The Devil Is in the Digits
    Each of these two tests provides strong evidence that the numbers released by Iran's Ministry of the Interior were manipulated. But taken together, they leave very little room for reasonable doubt. The probability that a fair election would produce both too few non-adjacent digits and the suspicious deviations in last-digit frequencies described earlier is less than .005. In other words, a bet that the numbers are clean is a one in two-hundred long shot.
    It's a sham. You can bet on it.

    As for exactly how it was accomplished.....the numbers were made up. The numerical analyses are very strong evidence of that. The numbers were not hedged or padded, merely manufactured out of thin air. For all intents and purposes, the actual ballots might never have been counted.

    The time for hedging and apologizing is over. The Iranian election was a fraud.

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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The time for hedging and apologizing is over. The Iranian election was a fraud.
    So what exactly should US and the West do? Invade and put in our democracy? ... we did a bang up job in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    No, this is something for Iranians to deal with. We cannot do more than what is happening now.


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