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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    "very concerned"?


    What a very presidential and decicive stance Obama took!



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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

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    "And I'm very concerned based on some of the tenor -- and tone of the statements that have been made -- that the government of Iran recognize that the world is watching. And how they approach and deal with people who are, through peaceful means, trying to be heard will, I think, send a pretty clear signal to the international community about what Iran is and -- and is not."

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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Exactly what could Obama say that wouldn't make things worse for Mousawi?
    He could stick to a few basic talking points:

    1. All nations have the sovereign right to choose their own governments.
    2. Governments enjoy legitimacy when they are subordinate and deferential to the people.
    3. Elections must be free and fair to give a government credibility.
    4. Governments that have such legitimacy and credibility are best able to represent their nation on the world stage.

    There is no need to mention by name Mousawi or Ahamenijad, nor even Khameni, except to extend appropriate courtesies as political leaders within Iran. Talk up the values, take a stand on the values.

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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Mousavi doesn't even matter anymore..neither does Ahmanut. The "election" has been decided and is final.

    If it continues it is now between the protesters(or if you will the People of Iran) and the Supreme Leader (thus the state)

    Obama's excuses for not saying anything are mostly gone as well.
    Last edited by Triad; 06-20-09 at 04:14 AM.

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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    "very concerned"?


    What a very presidential and decicive stance Obama took!



    We have no influence on what these people do. They have little concern with what we have to say. What makes us think that Obama saying anything, would change anything? Do you want him to say something to make us feel better?
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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    He could stick to a few basic talking points:

    1. All nations have the sovereign right to choose their own governments.
    2. Governments enjoy legitimacy when they are subordinate and deferential to the people.
    3. Elections must be free and fair to give a government credibility.
    4. Governments that have such legitimacy and credibility are best able to represent their nation on the world stage.

    There is no need to mention by name Mousawi or Ahamenijad, nor even Khameni, except to extend appropriate courtesies as political leaders within Iran. Talk up the values, take a stand on the values.
    Honest question, would it really matter? Would it change Iran? Would it only feed the fanatics (sic?)?
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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    We have no influence on what these people do. They have little concern with what we have to say. What makes us think that Obama saying anything, would change anything? Do you want him to say something to make us feel better?
    Ronald Reagan Speech 'Tear Down this Wall'

    It is worth noting that the day the Iranians went to the polls was the 22nd anniversary of Ronald Reagan's famous "tear down this wall" speech at the Brandenburg Gate. The speech was Reagan at his rhetorical best, and demonstrates the potency of simple values simply stated.

    It disappoints to see Dear Leader refuse time and again to discipline his rhetoric. He does not speak so much as he hides within words. He does not answer questions directly.

    He does not need to declare Mousavi the rightful President of Iran, nor does he need to declare Ahamenijad a thug and oppressive dictator, nor Khameni the Machiavelli of mullahs. There is no need to speak about what is wrong.

    There is always a call to speak about what is right. What is right is that elections be fair and honest and free of taint. What is right is that government be subordinate to the will of the people. What is right is that people be allowed to peaceably protest without fear of billy clubs or bullets.

    This is the moment in which Dear Leader should summon up the words of Thomas Jefferson, and declare such truths to be self-evident. He should say that these truths are not just for America, but for all people everywhere.

    He does not need to declare enmity against the Islamic Republic. He should declare the bedrock principles that are the foundation of the American Republic, and let those principles speak for themselves.

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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Honest question, would it really matter? Would it change Iran? Would it only feed the fanatics (sic?)?
    Iran does not exist in a vacuum; no nation exists in a vacuum. Iran will engage with the world for the same reason we will engage with Iran: there is no second alternative. The only question is the manner of the engagement: amicable or angry.

    America has no right to opine on the internal political processes of a foreign nation. It is not for us to say what government Iran should have.

    However, if we stand on our principles, Khameni, as he engages the world, must respond, for our statement of our principles becomes the challenge question that will not go away. He must say whether Iran's elections are free of taint. He must say whether Iran's government is subordinate to the will of the people or whether the will of the people is subordinate to the government. He must say whether he agrees or disagrees with the values of the American Republic. He must say because to ignore is to disengage from the world, and that is not an option for any nation (and especially a nation which has geopolitical ambitions).

    If we stand on our principles, Khameni must speak to our principles. In so speaking, he must either speak honestly or falsely; he must either tell the truth or tell a lie. He must lead either with character or connivance.

    If we stand on our principles, Mousavi and any who would oppose Khameni must speak to our principles, and for the same reason: there is no other option if Iran is to engage with the world. They also must speak either honestly or falsely; they also must either tell the truth or tell a lie. They also must lead either with character or connivance.

    These things they must do, and these things they must do in full view of the Iranian people. The Iranian people have demonstrated their deep desire to have the government of their choice. Our standing on our principles compels the Iranian leaders to stand on theirs. Standing on principle is always the way to facilitate choice.

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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Obama's excuses for not saying anything are mostly gone as well.

    He has made statements--what is your excuse for not knowing that?

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    Re: Obama "Very Concerned" At Ayatollah's Comments

    Is our President attempting to "vote present" on the Iran issue?

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