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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Ignorance is not a defense. Even if it were, while it's been a long time since I used Kazaa, I believe that the program does such things as ask you to select files to share during the setup in a way that makes it clear that you are making the files public. Even if it doesn't, Thomas was certainly not ignorant of filesharing software - in college she wrote a paper on Napster
    Gotcha, though I'm still not sure reasonable ignorance isn't a defense. Obviously stupid ignorance is, but reasonable ignorance? I don't know. Perhaps my Law and Order memories deceive me.

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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    In college she wrote a paper on Napster in which she concluded, both a bit ironically and possibly tellingly, that it was legal.
    p2p programs [not Napster (I) as it was centralized], of course, are legal. It is what you use it for that will or won't get you int trouble.

    Obviously this is an example of using it illegally, uploading works without permission from the copyright holder. Question is, does the punishment REALLY fit the crime?
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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Gotcha, though I'm still not sure reasonable ignorance isn't a defense. Obviously stupid ignorance is, but reasonable ignorance? I don't know. Perhaps my Law and Order memories deceive me.
    While the suit and the subsequent damages are for uploading, the intent behind the campaign of lawsuits was to go after people who download music. The "I didn't know I was uploading the songs I stole" defense probably wouldn't have cut it if anybody had tried it.

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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    While the suit and the subsequent damages are for uploading, the intent behind the campaign of lawsuits was to go after people who download music.
    The perfect showcase of "do as I say, not as I do" hypocrisy and indecisiveness. Seems like, looking back at their websites on this matter they are indecisive on whether or not they are doing it for themselves or the artists they claim to be helping, and whether they want P2P completely eliminated or want to promote using it legally.
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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    The perfect showcase of "do as I say, not as I do" hypocrisy and indecisiveness. Seems like, looking back at their websites on this matter they are indecisive on whether or not they are doing it for themselves or the artists they claim to be helping,
    They're doing it for themselves. I would be extremely surprised if any artist ever saw a cent from a lawsuit over a song of theirs.

    and whether they want P2P completely eliminated or want to promote using it legally.
    If it somehow came to pass that the RIAA could unilaterally declare that all P2P software is illegal I have no doubt that they would. The content controlling organizations (mostly the RIAA, MPAA, and IFPI thought there are many others) initially took an extremely myopic view of the internet, which continues to contribute to a dearth of compelling legitimate internet-enabled services. There's a couple of okay services out there such as Pandora and Hulu, but for the most part the entertainment industry has completely failed to capitalize on the internet

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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It was the judge that fined the woman. Does the judge work for the music company or does that judge for the state aka the tax payers?



    The woman only COPIED 24 DOLLARS worth of merchandise. The company should not get a penny more than that


    Well that would be no incentive. Have you seen what lawyers charge lately?


    I understand the counch metaphor from earlier but It makes little sense to pick this one lady and crucify her for mass generic internet shenanigans.

    If they want to protect their property there are plenty of encryption options.

    What she gets is a life ending event. What they get out of this is mass advertising.
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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    She did download thousands of songs (1,700 I believe), but she was only being charged for twenty-four of them.
    If she is only being sued for 24 of them, then for all intents and purposes she only illegally downloaded 24 in the eyes of the law. Any other illicit activity she may have committed is irrelevant to the scope of the case.
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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If she is only being sued for 24 of them, then for all intents and purposes she only illegally downloaded 24 in the eyes of the law. Any other illicit activity she may have committed is irrelevant to the scope of the case.
    I am going to use your wording here, but your post is "irrelevant".
    The headline is misleading, quite possibly, purposely.
    It has already been pointed out (by the Kernel, post #63) that she wasn't convicted of downloading.

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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    I am going to use your wording here, but your post is "irrelevant".
    The headline is misleading, quite possibly, purposely.
    It has already been pointed out (by the Kernel, post #63) that she wasn't convicted of downloading.
    The article I cited only mentioned downloading. It didn't say anything about any other copyright infringement.

    And even if she allowed others to upload the 24 songs, it's still ridiculous.
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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    That's a big fine. Hey, if it's too much for you, then don't steal.

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