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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You can only be compensated for your total loss. The first guy who had to pay you all of it can then sue the second guy to force him to reimburse the first guy for his share.
    Uhh this is...strange...reasoning. Let me make sure I understand this:

    1. The police find the guy who stole my sofa and I sue him.
    2. Since my house had previously been broken into, and my TV and my computer were stolen (all on separate occasions), I can sue the sofa thief for all of those items.
    3. The police then find the TV thief.
    4. Sofa thief has to sue TV thief directly, to recover the cost of my TV and half of the cost of my computer, even though the two have never met or had any contact with one another before.
    5. In the meantime, my car is stolen when it is parked on the other side of town.
    6. The police then find the computer thief.
    7. I sue the computer thief for the cost of my car (but not for the cost of my computer, since I already sued sofa thief for that, who in turn sued TV thief to recover half of that cost)
    8. TV thief and sofa thief file a joint lawsuit against computer thief for the cost of the computer.

    Is this correct? Is there a single example of anything like this occurring anywhere in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC
    The alternative is to effectively repeal copyright protection. I believe that would cause greater harm than this.
    It would not effectively repeal copyright protection. Record companies just have to choose their battles wisely. Go after the offenders with thousands of downloads and thousands of uploads, rather than someone who downloaded 24 songs. And work with companies like iTunes and Zune to give the smaller fish a legal outlet.
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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    This is definitely excessive. If seems as if the record companies are partially at fault here. If you want to go after more users to prevent music sharing... GO AFTER MORE USERS. Any one of us could very easily go onto a P2P client and pull out 50 IP addresses. Why doesn't the record company?

    By this justification, it seems as if I can start up my own shop, allow people to rob my store as I look the other way and then whenever I feel like it pick a random person and file a lawsuit for millions of dollars even though they stole a CD.

    Also, the way you made it seem- with the "splitting up" example- could that same person not just give up 1.9 million IP addresses, effectively reducing her total cost to $1?

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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well OK, but you were REALLY busting them for vandalism, even if the actual charge was littering, right? I would assume you don't often arrest people for small stuff like throwing a McDonald's wrapper out their car window?
    Why arrest when you can issue a citation (ticket)???

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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    Now that's just like executing a person for stealing a gum.
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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    The sad part: the artists they claim to help with these lawsuits won't see a dime of this money. It will all go back to the legal fund of the company [ies?] involved.
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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    The total price of the music she stole was about $24. Would they punish someone $1.9 million if they stole, say, a DVD of the same value?

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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    $1.9 million is ridiculous. Owing $1.9 million could destroy a person. While I also think it's unreasonable to just charge her the small amount the songs would have cost I have to agree $1.9 is complete and utter overkill.

    Then again my husband once sued in court and won and winning doesn't necessarily mean crap. It was decided by the courts that we were owed $7,688. But the person never paid still to this day. My grandfather also won an asbestos suit decades ago. He too, supposedly was going to be receiving money from his claim. He died and that still hasn't been paid.

    So maybe she can just not pay. I don't know much about how that all works but simply not paying seems to be common enough.
    When a person wins a suit and gets a judgment they then have the right to establish leans on any property that person has and garnish wages. If you're not getting paid. On most occasions this is how you'll ever see a dime, because it's the rare looser who will cut a check and just pay the debt.

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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    **** them, don't pay it. The music industry has been ripping us off for years and now they're pissy that they're getting a little of it back. And 24 songs ain't worth no 1.9 million, at most you can pump up the value for having to go to court and such. But they don't hire people to clean up the internet to prevent this, they don't do the investigations or any of that. Way too much money for something so trivial as downloading music.
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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It does not make sense. If society deems that this crime is severe enough that it needs a stronger deterrent effect, then it should prosecute the crime more often...not fine some random person $80,000 per illegal download while allowing everyone else to get off scot-free. That is just stupid and excessive. Fortunately the punishment will almost certainly be thrown out on appeal, as it should.
    There are murderers that get off easier than this. This is why the American justice system is really screwed up.

    This whole issue is ironic considering that records companies are some of the biggest crooks out there.

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    Re: Woman fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The jury awarded it. Also, if the odds of being prosecuted for a crime are low, the punishment has to be high to have a worthwhile deterrent effect. Sucks for the person who gets caught, but it makes sense.
    It doesnt make sence, Big Corps going after working Mother that is a sad state of affairs.


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