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Obama Pressured to Strike a Firmer Tone

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WASHINGTON — As tens of thousands of Iranian protesters take to the streets in defiance of the government in Tehran, officials in Washington are debating whether President Obama’s response to Iran’s disputed election has been too muted.

Mr. Obama is coming under increased pressure from Republicans and other conservatives who say he should take a more visible stance in support of the protesters.

Even while supporting the president’s approach, senior members of the administration, including Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, would like to strike a stronger tone in support of the protesters, administration officials said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/us/politics/18prexy.html?ref=politics

Why I wish Biden or Clinton was in charge now.

Hell.. the guy who parks their cars would be better.
 
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If Obama had taken a firm tone, Triad would be complaining about how he was provoking Iran.
 
We made that mistake in the last administration. When will the neocons understand that we are not, nor should we be in the business of nation-building.

When will Liberals understand having lots of rogue states with nuclear weapons is not a good idea.
 
And he'd be complaining about how Obama was just giving another speech instead of nuking Tehran. :doh

I love how the people who are so quick to condemn Obama for "just giving a speech" whenever he says, well, anything, are the same people to bitch that he isn't saying enough at a time when his silence is actually useful. We tried it your way for the past eight years, and that foreign policy drove us into the ditch. Now we're going to try it the grown-up way.
 
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When will Liberals understand having lots of rogue states with nuclear weapons is not a good idea.

When did liberals NOT understand that?

Strawmen are for corn fields to keep the crows away, not for legitimate discussion with adults.
 
When will Liberals understand having lots of rogue states with nuclear weapons is not a good idea.

And we are going to stop Iran from getting nukes how? Talking firm to them? Getting into a third war at once?
 
Well, let's start with the basic questions.

What makes you think that Obama's words will have the slightest impact on the final outcome of these protests (and that their impact would be positive)? What makes you think that the protesters welcome American involvement? And what makes you think that it's a good idea to wantonly be a dick toward a government that still has the upper hand over the protesters, with which we have much to talk about?
 
When will Liberals understand having lots of rogue states with nuclear weapons is not a good idea.

hmmm...when did Iran develop its nuclear weapon capabilities...hmmmm under the last administration with the nation building policy that you are advocating. Didn't work so well then did it?
 
hmmm...when did Iran develop its nuclear weapon capabilities...hmmmm under the last administration with the nation building policy that you are advocating. Didn't work so well then did it?

Yes but you cant just say because 2 events happened at the same time they are linked.But there is evidence to sugest the liberation of Iraq made Iran think twice and slow down.
 
When did liberals NOT understand that?

Strawmen are for corn fields to keep the crows away, not for legitimate discussion with adults.

I was actually pointing out a strawman get it?
 
Yes but you cant just say because 2 events happened at the same time they are linked.But there is evidence to sugest the liberation of Iraq made Iran think twice and slow down.
How you can contradict yourself in the matter of two sentences is quite amazing.
 
If Obama had taken a firm tone, Triad would be complaining about how he was provoking Iran.

Nope.
But then I have found your more interested in getting agreement from your like minded people on this forum then anything else. Thus the change from 'prove it' on everything to 'oh he would just say this'.

Its easier and thats all it is.
 
And he'd be complaining about how Obama was just giving another speech instead of nuking Tehran. :doh

I love how the people who are so quick to condemn Obama for "just giving a speech" whenever he says, well, anything, are the same people to bitch that he isn't saying enough at a time when his silence is actually useful. We tried it your way for the past eight years, and that foreign policy drove us into the ditch. Now we're going to try it the grown-up way.


Learn to read articles and deal with the subject of a thread instead of worshipping me or trying to get into redress pants.
 
I give you the reason that Mr. Obama should have a hard tone,

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtYdjbpBk6A&feature=related]YouTube - Reagan at Brandenburg Gate - "tear down this wall"[/ame]
 
Nope.
But then I have found your more interested in getting agreement from your like minded people on this forum then anything else. Thus the change from 'prove it' on everything to 'oh he would just say this'.

Its easier and thats all it is.

All you have done in months is complain that anything and everything that Obama has done is wrong. What do you want Obama to do, and what effect do you think it will have?
 
Oh yeah, it's just like a completely different situation.

No it isn't Mr.Reagan went to Berlin ask for the Wall to be torn down with-in these very powerful words we saw the fall of the Wall and the opening of the East to the West.

With the correct words and tone Mr. Obama can have the same affect that Mr. Reagan had with the USSR and Eastern Europe. Or do you think he does have the same Public Speaking skill as Mr. Reagan had.
 
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No it isn't Mr.Reagan went to Berlin ask for the Wall to be torn down with-in these very powerful words we say the fall of the Wall and the openin gof the East to the West.

With the correct words and tone Mr. Obama can have the same affect that Mr. Reagan had with the USSR and Eastern Europe. Or do you think he does have the same Public Speaking skill as Mr. Reagan had.

So you are suggesting that the cold war is like a popular uprising over an election? That the political situation is the same as now? The cultures are the same? None of those things are alike, so it is silly to expect that the same solution will work(and his words where not what caused the end of the cold war).
 
Rederss, Kandahar, the troll Jovial One ,and the rest.

Bidens a stupid lil NEOCON child right?

Clinton is a stupid lil NEOCON child right?

Everyone win the administration and everyone mentioned in that article including Experts on Iran are all trash and lil NEOCON childrend right?

oh nm..first requirmtent to make you matter is READING the article provided..none of you did..
 
Rederss, Kandahar, the troll Jovial One ,and the rest.

Bidens a stupid lil NEOCON child right?

Clinton is a stupid lil NEOCON child right?

Everyone win the administration and everyone mentioned in that article including Experts on Iran are all trash and lil NEOCON childrend right?

oh nm..first requirmtent to make you matter is READING the article provided..none of you did..

No one said that. They can be wrong however. In this case, I think so.

By the way, I like and respect Clinton about a million times more than Obama, but still think she is wrong in this case
 
All you have done in months is complain that anything and everything that Obama has done is wrong. What do you want Obama to do, and what effect do you think it will have?


I have already said many times in multiple threads.

That you admit you don't even know what I have said but could mange to make a statement of what I would say.

Says it all.


State your opinion if you wish on the subject at hand. Keep your admitted ignorant opinion of my opinions to your self.



I don't go randomly around the forum looking for posts by you or others and make one line lil smart ass comments about them for no apparent reason other then to make the comment or start an argument.
So why do you guys?..IMO its becoming more and more obvious why....can't argue the point so you try to belittle the poster.
Its become more and more common since the PF crowd arrived as well.
 
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Rederss, Kandahar, the troll Jovial One ,and the rest.

Bidens a stupid lil NEOCON child right?

Clinton is a stupid lil NEOCON child right?

Everyone win the administration and everyone mentioned in that article including Experts on Iran are all trash and lil NEOCON childrend right?

oh nm..first requirmtent to make you matter is READING the article provided..none of you did..

What in god's name are you talking about? They aren't "neocons" (whatever that means) just for disagreeing with Obama's approach. They are, however, completely wrong. Obama was right when he said that we don't want to be seen as meddling in Iran's affairs.
 
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