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    Re: Obama Pressured to Strike a Firmer Tone

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    You know what Triad I came over here from PF and I take offesive tot his statement actually I demand that you make a public apology on this one. You want to have a war with me I'm from PF and have a far Right Leaning on allot of items then you do but since you have decide to blantley call all of us out well then you have got my attention.

    Then go back there.

    As for your demands..KISS MY ASS

    You may be from PF but you clearly do not know me.

    Go away and take your tough guy talk with you.
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    Re: Obama Pressured to Strike a Firmer Tone

    Thread dead.
    I moved the subject of it to one of the other Iran threads.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058091207

    Wasn't even sure I should have made this a seperate post anyway..its not really breaking news just informative news.

    Moderators delete this thread..as you can see it was railroaded and turned into a stupid fight.
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    Re: Obama Pressured to Strike a Firmer Tone

    This is a win/win/win for Obama if he just keeps his mouth shut.

    • If this thing is a true revolution and the regime is deposed, then they will claim his strategy was correct.
    • If the Mullahs order the military and police to crush the populace, then the administration will claim there was nothing we could do short of invasion, and therefore words wouldn't have mattered...and the Guardian Council are sitll the villains.
    • If this thing simply dies out, then the movement wasn't that legitimate, and they will claim Obama was wise and knew better than to get involved in a failing and unstable movement.



    And it will all be bull****. There would be no harm in Obama voicing some solidarity with the opposition movement right now. In fact I think it would go a long way towards the way we are viewed by the Muslim community to have our leader express support for their desire for democracy.

    Standing by silently is the wrong course of action in my opinion. As I've said before, those people need more than Twitter and Youtube. I wish our people were out in the streets, gathering in solidarity marches.

    Obama needs to step up use that eloquent voice of his. This is an opportunity for the U.S. to really have a positive impact in the nation that has been portrayed as hating us as "devils."

    I fear I'm about to join the ranks of those U.S. citizens without a President. To me this is that important.
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    Re: Obama Pressured to Strike a Firmer Tone

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    And it will all be bull****. There would be no harm in Obama voicing some solidarity with the opposition movement right now.
    Except the protesters would suddenly be a tool of the Great Satan, which gives Khamenei a pretext to crush them.

    And if the protests do anything less than completely bring down the entire government, it will be much more difficult to negotiate with the regime on anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst
    In fact I think it would go a long way towards the way we are viewed by the Muslim community to have our leader express support for their desire for democracy.
    And what makes you think that the Iranian protesters welcome American involvement?
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    Re: Obama Pressured to Strike a Firmer Tone

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Except the protesters would suddenly be a tool of the Great Satan, which gives Khamenei a pretext to crush them.
    I don't know if you've been paying attention, but that's already happening.

    And if the protests do anything less than completely bring down the entire government, it will be much more difficult to negotiate with the regime on anything.
    How could it possibly be any more difficult than it already was? There was no negotiation on anything to begin with.

    And what makes you think that the Iranian protesters welcome American involvement?
    Because the information coming from inside Iran is asking the world, including America, to support their movement.

    Further, Obama saying he supports their struggle for democracy isn't "involvement." It's a statement. And one he should make.
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    Re: Obama Pressured to Strike a Firmer Tone

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    All you have done in months is complain that anything and everything that Obama has done is wrong. What do you want Obama to do, and what effect do you think it will have?
    I have agreed with him on small things..not many big.
    Even on this forum.. Even in Breaking News.

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    This may be one in a million post but when the dip pulls his head out of his ass...even if for only a brief spate of fresh air . I can agree with him.


    Other then serving as the Far Lefts porn the release of such things while at war only aids the enemy.
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    DO I like Obama HHHhhhheeeeellllLLLlllLLl NO! ..will I bash/criticize/laugh at him yes... but with reasons I'll usually link to some news story on whatever issue it may be.
    Just defending myself for posting news in breaking news that is negative of the One.
    Done.
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    Re: Obama Pressured to Strike a Firmer Tone

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I don't know if you've been paying attention, but that's already happening.
    Umm I don't know if YOU'VE been paying attention, but the police and Guardsmen have actually been remarkably restrained giving the repressive nature of the regime and the scale of the protests. Sure, there have been some incidents, but for the most part the protesters have been allowed to do their thing with minimal violence from the police.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst
    How could it possibly be any more difficult than it already was? There was no negotiation on anything to begin with.
    If the Iranian regime believes that we are trying to overthrow it, it makes it difficult to negotiate with them. Why would you negotiate with someone who was trying to craft your downfall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst
    Because the information coming from inside Iran is asking the world, including America, to support their movement.
    You mean a few random people who happen to use Twitter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst
    Further, Obama saying he supports their struggle for democracy isn't "involvement."
    Whether it's actually involvement is irrelevant. The establishment is looking for a pretext to clobber the protesters. This would provide them with one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst
    It's a statement. And one he should make.
    No he shouldn't. Barack Obama is not omnipotent. He can't make the protests succeed just by saying he is on their side. All he can do is piss people off. At best, the protesters succeed and nothing Obama says matters either way. At worst, the regime cracks down on the protests due to American involvement and negotiations on other issues go into the deep freeze once again.
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    Re: Obama Pressured to Strike a Firmer Tone

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    Except i didnt point that out.
    Oh really...you don't call this a contradiction:

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail
    .. you cant just say because 2 events happened at the same time they are linked....

    ... the liberation of Iraq made Iran think twice and slow down.
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    Re: Obama Pressured to Strike a Firmer Tone

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    NEOCON is supposed to be a negative term used by the left to defame people they do not agree with. Its rather childish but as you can see only selectively applied to the point of being meaningless.

    Wrong....Neo-con is a very specific term that refers to an imperialistic nation-building philosophy that was embraced by many people in the past administration.
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    Re: Obama Pressured to Strike a Firmer Tone

    Triad, Lerxst: if Obama did as you want, and everything goes as best it can from that, what do you see as the best resolution likely? How would that outcome effect the US?

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