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    A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    BBC NEWS | UK | First trial without jury approved

    The Court of Appeal has ruled that a criminal trial can take place at Crown Court without a jury for the first time in England and Wales.

    The Lord Chief Justice, Lord Judge, made legal history by agreeing to allow the trial to be heard by a judge alone.
    But Liberty director of policy Isabella Sankey said: "This is a dangerous precedent.

    "The right to jury trial isn't just a hallowed principle but a practice that ensures that one class of people don't sit in judgement over another and the public have confidence in an open and representative justice system.

    "What signal do we send to witnesses if the police can't even protect juries?"
    Dangerous, knowing our Govt. this will become common.
    I don't like this at all, what the heck is going on with our system.
    Does anyone even know who our law lords are and we are supposed to trust them
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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Why not?

    It works like that in continental Europe, we have a jury only for the worst crimes (murder...).

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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Why not?

    It works like that in continental Europe, we have a jury only for the worst crimes (murder...).
    No thanks.

    Because Judges are unaccountable, their sentences suck, i don't trust them.


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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    No thanks.

    Because Judges are unaccountable, their sentences suck, i don't trust them.
    why? Sometimes there are 3 judges, they "vote" the sentence

    but maybe our laws are different. Here, they are quite precise, everything is written and the judges only apply it

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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    why? Sometimes there are 3 judges, they "vote" the sentence

    but maybe our laws are different. Here, they are quite precise, everything is written and the judges only apply it
    Judges may as well make laws at the way they go about things over here, i have no idea who our law lords are and they head our highest court. The PM appoints them with little to no check or confirmation process so the positions could be highly politicised.

    No, this is dangerous imo.


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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Judges may as well make laws at the way they go about things over here, i have no idea who our law lords are and they head our highest court. The PM appoints them with little to no check or confirmation process so the positions could be highly politicised.

    No, this is dangerous imo.
    I don't know how the common law system works, but usually, when a judge does the work without jury, there are many rules that limit his power. UK is a democracy, so I would be astonished that they create a system that is anti-democratic.

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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    BBC NEWS | UK | First trial without jury approved





    Dangerous, knowing our Govt. this will become common.
    I don't like this at all, what the heck is going on with our system.
    Does anyone even know who our law lords are and we are supposed to trust them
    That's absolutely astounding and the rationales for it are terrible. It's unclear however whether the defendants requested a jury trial or are content with a bench trial.
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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    If the defendant was not allowed a trial by jury, it's just another reason I am proud to be an American.
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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    why? Sometimes there are 3 judges, they "vote" the sentence

    but maybe our laws are different. Here, they are quite precise, everything is written and the judges only apply it
    We have judges who say that too, but the fact is that the act of applying a law necessarily requires some level of interpretation. The BGB and Code Civil are massive, but even they cannot cover all possible scenarios.

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    I don't know how the common law system works, but usually, when a judge does the work without jury, there are many rules that limit his power. UK is a democracy, so I would be astonished that they create a system that is anti-democratic.
    One of the best rationales for having a judge in addition to a jury (aside from the "jury of peers" thing) is because the jury can in theory do what the judge could not - hear the proper evidence only. If there is inflammatory evidence that is not admissible, the judge can keep it away from the jury and thus avoid allowing it to taint a verdict. If there is no jury, the judge would have to rely on himself not to allow it to affect his decision.

    That being said, I still think juries are mostly comprised of morons, but nevertheless would be furious if they ever tried to eliminate them without consent here.
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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    That's absolutely astounding and the rationales for it are terrible.
    It's horrible isn't it?
    They can't be upfront about it and just say they want more power taken from people.

    Judges are unelected, unaccountable and are open to the whims of politicans. No seperation of power. We are so screwed.


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