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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Grand juries are secret. The accused is usually not informed that they are being held and almost never informed about the basis for why they are being held.
    It's not a conviction court! Please stop and read the words I type. A grand jury does not convict. The accused knows of the grand jury and exactly why it's being held. They aren't present at the grand jury because they are not on trial at that point. The grand jury decides if there is enough evidence to proceed with an actual trial, that's it. There's still a jury involved in the actual criminal case.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    As for the appeal system.. no jury, which was my point.
    The appeal system works very similar to the grand jury. They decide if a new criminal trial is warranted. There was a jury which got the guy imprisoned in the first place, and if the appeal is granted there will be another jury. These aren't criminal cases, the jury is part and parcel to a criminal case; we have them there as limiters to government power and to ensure a fair trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Also if I remember right, cases like divorce, custody cases.. all without juries.
    For the love of Christ. Those aren't criminal cases. Those are contractual things, no one is getting sent to jail in those.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Every country has a different legal system and legal standards. In some European countries petty crimes are done via 3 to 7 judges instead of a jury, and others it is a jury. In the end the result is no different. That the English system is slowly changing only means that the English system is evolving to accommodate changes in the amount of legal cases. It is not like murder cases are not going by jury...
    Criminal cases need the opportunity to be heard in front of a jury. We do so as a limitation to government power and to ensure that the laws enforced are the one's in which the People fell are just.
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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Dangerous, knowing our Govt. this will become common.
    I don't like this at all, what the heck is going on with our system.
    Does anyone even know who our law lords are and we are supposed to trust them
    This is why the US Constitution is on paper.

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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is why the US Constitution is on paper.
    Yup ... and ours is all over the place, a mix of traditions and written rules


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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yup ... and ours is all over the place, a mix of traditions and written rules
    All of which exist at the whim of Parliament.

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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    All of which exist at the whim of Parliament.
    Not even Parliament, we are at the mercy of the party with a majority, a simple act of Parliament can change our constitution.


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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Not even Parliament, we are at the mercy of the party with a majority, a simple act of Parliament can change our constitution.
    Of course, having a written constitution is irrelevant when it is ignored...

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