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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    why? Sometimes there are 3 judges, they "vote" the sentence

    but maybe our laws are different. Here, they are quite precise, everything is written and the judges only apply it
    Here we use jury as the ultimate check on governmental powers and to ensure that the government is using its ability to use force to suppress the rights of the individual correctly and not for political or power reasons. Thus it is inconceivable to many in the US that you would have a trial without a jury.
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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Lmao.
    Look ahead to a few decades and it might just happen to you ...

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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Thus it is inconceivable to many in the US that you would have a trial without a jury.
    And yet you have things like grand juries that are held in secret, and your whole appeal system is without juries.
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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And yet you have things like grand juries that are held in secret, and your whole appeal system is without juries.
    Just say that trail by jury is a bad thing. We don't need a lesson on our own system from you.
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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And yet you have things like grand juries that are held in secret, and your whole appeal system is without juries.
    Grand juries are not held in secret, we know where they are at. In fact a friend of mine got assigned to one in Denver. And they don't convict either, the only think a grand jury does is decide if there is enough evidence to proceed with an actual trial. The appeal system is very similar.
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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Erm, i know you've been here for a while so i am sure you of all people are aware that this is the NEWS sections. Yes dear, news. That is where we report things that have happened in the world.
    Now what we do is find a article we think people should know or might like to comment on and then post it .... shockingly enough, i believed that seeing this is the first time it will be occuring in history it was worth a mention ....

    I don't mind it generally.
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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    Please dont call me dear, I am very expensive
    Who are you trying to kid?

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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Need I say more

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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Just say that trail by jury is a bad thing. We don't need a lesson on our own system from you.
    Trial by jury is by no means a bad thing. We have them in Europe too, but in some cases it is just not needed..
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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Grand juries are not held in secret, we know where they are at. In fact a friend of mine got assigned to one in Denver. And they don't convict either, the only think a grand jury does is decide if there is enough evidence to proceed with an actual trial. The appeal system is very similar.
    Grand juries are secret. The accused is usually not informed that they are being held and almost never informed about the basis for why they are being held.

    As for the appeal system.. no jury, which was my point.

    Also if I remember right, cases like divorce, custody cases.. all without juries.

    Every country has a different legal system and legal standards. In some European countries petty crimes are done via 3 to 7 judges instead of a jury, and others it is a jury. In the end the result is no different. That the English system is slowly changing only means that the English system is evolving to accommodate changes in the amount of legal cases. It is not like murder cases are not going by jury...
    Last edited by PeteEU; 06-20-09 at 05:14 AM.
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