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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    To bare arms? I dont think the monarchy would agree with that, we may end our "subject of the crown" status and become complete citizens.
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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If the defendant was not allowed a trial by jury, it's just another reason I am proud to be an American.
    In the case of the four defendants in this case there have been four attempts to hold trial by jury but there were serious threats made against the jurors safety, As it was thought difficult to ensure the safety of the jury the trial is to be held with only the judge giving the verdict.

    The serious issue is of trial without jury - but more seriously that the police can't guarantee the safety of the jury. We're becoming more and more of a society where people won't always use the law to seek redress because the criminals can threaten the innocent and get away with it.

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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    he looks Bi-Polar to me, also rather camp

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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    We have judges who say that too, but the fact is that the act of applying a law necessarily requires some level of interpretation. The BGB and Code Civil are massive, but even they cannot cover all possible scenarios.
    Of course, they're not "machines" (like people wanted them to be just after the French revolution), but still...there are lots of rules that ensure that he is not arbitrary.
    - the laws contain the minimum and maximum sentence, so he can't condemn someone to death because he stole a car
    - he has to give a motivation for his sentence
    - if the condemned thinks that the sentence is too harsh, he can appeal the judgement and another judge will handle his case



    One of the best rationales for having a judge in addition to a jury (aside from the "jury of peers" thing) is because the jury can in theory do what the judge could not - hear the proper evidence only. If there is inflammatory evidence that is not admissible, the judge can keep it away from the jury and thus avoid allowing it to taint a verdict. If there is no jury, the judge would have to rely on himself not to allow it to affect his decision.

    That being said, I still think juries are mostly comprised of morons, but nevertheless would be furious if they ever tried to eliminate them without consent here.[/QUOTE]

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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    Then you would agree how wonderful its is to be a signatory to the European Court of Human Rights
    Very wonderful at times and at others it is annoying as hell.
    It is a love/hate relationship


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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    To bare arms? I dont think the monarchy would agree with that, we may end our "subject of the crown" status and become complete citizens.
    Well ... we'll edit the US Constitution before implementing it then. I don't think the public would accept legalizing guns.

    Besides i love the Queen and so do many others. Charles ... not so much.


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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Very wonderful at times and at others it is annoying as hell.
    It is a love/hate relationship
    why is that?

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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    why is that?
    Because cases like this come up:

    Britain was wrong to freeze assets of Abu Qatada, rules EU, clearing way for him to get compensation | Mail Online

    EU court orders release of Abu Qatada assets | UK news | guardian.co.uk

    We should have the right to freeze the assets of a nutter without Europe jumping down our throats.


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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Because cases like this come up:

    Britain was wrong to freeze assets of Abu Qatada, rules EU, clearing way for him to get compensation | Mail Online

    EU court orders release of Abu Qatada assets | UK news | guardian.co.uk

    We should have the right to freeze the assets of a nutter without Europe jumping down our throats.
    It breached his fundemental human rights, the gov accepted the ruling and agreed they were wrong, we all have the same fundemental rights,so do you want them for some, and not for others, if so why did you start this thread?

    Next one please

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    Re: A trial .... without a Jury? First time in UK history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    BBC NEWS | UK | First trial without jury approved





    Dangerous, knowing our Govt. this will become common.
    I don't like this at all, what the heck is going on with our system.
    Does anyone even know who our law lords are and we are supposed to trust them
    Congratulations!! You guys voted for all that ****. No guns, no juries and a socialist state.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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