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    Holder: Some Gitmo prisoners to be held indefinitely

    Hold'em Forever Holder!

    Way to go, Mr. Close Gitmo Now!

    Holder: Some Gitmo prisoners to be held indefinitelyAttorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said Wednesday that even after the closing of the prison at Guantanamo Bay, the U.S. will continue to hold indefinitely a number of terror suspects whose cases will never go to trial and who cannot be sent to any other country.

    Mr. Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee that the detainees who cannot be released will have their cases periodically reviewed to determine whether they must continue to be held without trial. He did not specify how many of the roughly 230 detainees remaining at U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, would fall into this category.

    President Obama has signed an executive order for the prison to close with a year and put in Mr. Holder in charge of a task force to make it happen. Critics say the prison has become a symbol of American excesses in the fight against terrorism, but closing it will apparently not change the reality that some detainees will continue to be held.

    I'm betting that Holder, being a lawyer as he is, never saw this in print:

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    Yep, the Fourteenth Amendment.

    It says "all persons".

    It was definitely squirmy of Bush to claim that Gitmo was outside the jurisdiction of the Constitution.

    Good old Hold'em Forever. If he puts them in the US, they're going to get lawyers some how. The prisons can't even keep drugs out, let alone cockroaches. But he can't put them elsewhere. And yet The Messiah promised to do something with these people.

    Such gross incompetence.

    So predictable.

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    Re: Holder: Some Gitmo prisoners to be held indefinitely

    Complete bull****. If their cases will never go to trial you obviously don't have a reasonable amount of evidence to hold the person indefinitely. If you do have evidence that is time sensitive then sure, hold them while you catch those who were involved or use the info to capture other badguys, but once that info is no longer relevant then you either try them or release them. That's how justice works. Yeah, Hitler didn't like it much either but we saw where that led him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Complete bull****. If their cases will never go to trial you obviously don't have a reasonable amount of evidence to hold the person indefinitely.
    Not true.

    What you don't have is evidence admissable in a court of law, since the Eigth Amendment precludes the admission of statements taken under duress.

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    It was a fine idea back when Bush wanted to do it, and it's a fine idea now.

    The hypocrisy is amusing, though.
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    So Much for another of Mr. Obama's promise like most of us knew GITMO wasn't/isn't going to be close not now not till the last scum pond magget kicks the bucket.

    But Mr. Obama knew this and wanted to make cheap political gains and now is finding out damnit I can't shut the place down after all, oh well no one really care's anymore.

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    Where is ADK? Slip slope? Will Rockwell? DD? and on and on and on......
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    Re: Holder: Some Gitmo prisoners to be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Hold'em Forever Holder!

    Way to go, Mr. Close Gitmo Now!




    I'm betting that Holder, being a lawyer as he is, never saw this in print:

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    Yep, the Fourteenth Amendment.

    It says "all persons".

    It was definitely squirmy of Bush to claim that Gitmo was outside the jurisdiction of the Constitution.

    Good old Hold'em Forever. If he puts them in the US, they're going to get lawyers some how. The prisons can't even keep drugs out, let alone cockroaches. But he can't put them elsewhere. And yet The Messiah promised to do something with these people.

    Such gross incompetence.

    So predictable.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States......are citizens of the United States
    This is really the key. These dudes aren't citizens, and therefore not entitled to
    the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States
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    Re: Holder: Some Gitmo prisoners to be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This is really the key. These dudes aren't citizens, and therefore not entitled to
    You're referring to the wrong part:

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
    This isn't about privileges, it's about equal protection.
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    Re: Holder: Some Gitmo prisoners to be held indefinitely

    One of the reasons I voted for Obama was the promise to close Gitmo. I assumed that we would try these terror suspects in a court of law, then sentence them if they're guilty of free them if they're innocent. I guess Obama has different plans.

    For someone who is supposedly a liberal like me, he and I sure do see things a lot more differently now than before the campaign. Maybe he isn't as liberal as I was hoping he'd be.

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    Re: Holder: Some Gitmo prisoners to be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    One of the reasons I voted for Obama was the promise to close Gitmo. I assumed that we would try these terror suspects in a court of law, then sentence them if they're guilty of free them if they're innocent. I guess Obama has different plans.

    For someone who is supposedly a liberal like me, he and I sure do see things a lot more differently now than before the campaign. Maybe he isn't as liberal as I was hoping he'd be.
    You sound like allot of folks I know who voted for Mr. Obama, you all thought he was going to ride into Washington on his White Horse with all of these promise he made as Cand.Obama and when he got here and became president Obama he realized ohh I guess I can't do allot of these thing I told evryone I would do. GITMO by far was his biggest gaft, untill he had the chance to sit down and really read everything he should have never signed the Exc. Order to close GITMO with out getting all of the facts.

    Now allot of folks like yourself are asking themselves why did I vote for this person if he isn't going to do what he promise us he would.

    Or another words we have a saying in DC welcome to DC where you can promise everything as a Cand. but once you arrive you will find that you can only do what has been done before tow the Partie's line.

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