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    Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    US President Barack Obama is resisting pressure to side with Iran's opposition as mass protests continue over the nation's disputed presidential poll.

    In a TV interview Mr Obama said there might not be much difference between the policies of President Ahmadinejad and rival Mir Hossein Mousavi.

    Mr Mousavi's supporters have continued street protests despite the threat of government force and earlier bloodshed.

    BBC correspondents in Tehran say the mood in the city is tense and angry.

    Tough new restrictions have been imposed on foreign media in Iran.

    But state TV showed a rally by government supporters in the centre of Tehran. It did not appear as big or as enthusiastic as the yesterday's massive opposition protest.

    The government appears divided over how to respond. The opposition enjoys huge and vocal support, but is not well organised.

    It is a deadlock shaking the very foundations of the Islamic Republic, and there is no clear picture what is going to happen next.


    But despite government attempts to control the flow of information out of the country, Iranians have been using the internet to send images and personal accounts of the protests around the world.

    Mr Obama said he believed Iranian voices should be heard, although he added that he did not want to be seen to be "meddling".

    /*/ "It is not productive, given the history of US and Iranian relations to be seen as meddling in Iranian elections," he said. /*/

    "But when I see violence directed at peaceful protesters, when I see peaceful dissent being suppressed… it is of concern to me and it is of concern to the American people."

    ***** Speaking later in the television interview, he downplayed the importance to the world of the struggle for power in Iran.

    "The difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi in terms of their actual policies may not be as great as has been advertised," he said. *****

    Earlier on Tuesday, the US state department said it had asked the social networking site Twitter to delay maintenance work so that Iranians could keep using it as a communications tool.
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    /*/-unnecessary..he has got to stop saying the USA is a meddler...
    *****-Totally unnecessary. Even though I agree with him that there is not much difference between the two he is telling everyone the USA thinks there's no real difference..iow can you all just get along please..thanks BO


    US diplomats are telling the Iranian government about the talks Obama wants to have...and officially downplaying the protestors.
    But lets fool ourselves..


    Who has the means to actualyl sustain a coup?..the Iranian Military..
    What does the military want?..reassurance about Irans integrity as a state. USA/EU/maybe Israel give those assurances and make it clear they will not interfere while also supporting the protesters openly the regime *might* be overthrown or not..or Iran could go into civil war..to overthrow that regime is worth it.

    Obama is carefully wording his language to the point that the USA does not represent support to a cause to remove the regime in Iran..that's horrible.

    He is basically shuttering the beacon of the USA... and that whether some of you wish to acknowledge it or not has a major impact on people in the middle of Myanmar who have never seen a white person but are fighting their despotic military regime...
    USA is like a beacon in this world that's why millions try to get here anyway they can every year.

    We should be hoping and publicly saying we hope they remove the despots above them.




    USA is sending the wrong message.

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    The US is a meddler and especially when it comes to Iran.

    Yo do know that the US funded and aided the Shah to gain power in the first place right? You do know that the US ran several Iranian ministries under the Shah right? You do know that the US trained the Shahs secret police (with the help of the Israelis ironically enough), which even today is seen as one of, if not the most, brutal organisations ever to exist? You do know that the US propped up the Shah and his regime for years?

    Do you really think that Iranians will forget these acts over night just because the American people have ignored it for decades?

    Obama is doing exactly the right thing.. stay the hell away from the situation as any US involvement will only help the sitting government which is something most people dont want.
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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    /*/-unnecessary..he has got to stop saying the USA is a meddler...
    But the US is a meddler. It's the cornerstone of our foreign policy.

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    The manner in which he says it.
    As of now he is negative not positive about the USA's role in the world and that is harmful.

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    The manner in which he says it.
    As of now he is negative not positive about the USA's role in the world and that is harmful.
    I think it was about time that the U.S.A. stopped getting its nose into other countrie's internal affairs.
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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    The manner in which he says it.
    As of now he is negative not positive about the USA's role in the world and that is harmful.
    The US's role in the world should be that of a friendly trading partner to all nations. As to what other nations do, we need to butt out. That means not taking sides in Iran, nor does it mean saber rattling over Iran's nuclear program.

    The same applies to all other nations. It's not our place to tell them what they can and can't do.

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    The manner in which he says it.
    As of now he is negative not positive about the USA's role in the world and that is harmful.
    Thats because thus far the US's role in the world has been partly negative, and Obama is trying to set the record straight.

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    The manner in which he says it.
    As of now he is negative not positive about the USA's role in the world and that is harmful.
    I don't get why people like to pretend the U.S. never does anything wrong. You do know that's why the world hates us? We meddle in everyone else's business and most of the time we seem to make things worse, but we pretend like we're perfect. It's a joke. Personally, I find it refreshing when people can recognize mistakes, learn from them, and try not to repeat them. I find it even more refreshing when my President can do that.

    Furthermore, I think the rest of the world does too.
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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The US is a meddler and especially when it comes to Iran.

    Yo do know that the US funded and aided the Shah to gain power in the first place right?
    No we didn't he was in power long before the U.S. got involved in the situation to keep Mossadeq from succeeding in his coup deta.

    You do know that the US ran several Iranian ministries under the Shah right? You do know that the US trained the Shahs secret police (with the help of the Israelis ironically enough), which even today is seen as one of, if not the most, brutal organisations ever to exist?
    Ya if you're completely insane and believe SAVAK to be less brutal than say any Communist, Islamist, or Fascist regime in the history of the world, such as, the very same Communist regimes whom with Mossadeq was aligning and emulating.

    You do know that the US propped up the Shah and his regime for years?
    You do know that the living standards of Iranians were never higher than under the Shah right?

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No we didn't he was in power long before the U.S. got involved in the situation to keep Mossadeq from succeeding in his coup deta.



    Ya if you're completely insane and believe SAVAK to be less brutal than say any Communist, Islamist, or Fascist regime in the history of the world, such as, the very same Communist regimes whom with Mossadeq was aligning and emulating.



    You do know that the living standards of Iranians were never higher than under the Shah right?
    Alright, back up your claims with a credible source.

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