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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    The manner in which he says it.
    As of now he is negative not positive about the USA's role in the world and that is harmful.
    Nice spin.

    "But when I see violence directed at peaceful protesters, when I see peaceful dissent being suppressed… it is of concern to me and it is of concern to the American people."
    What would you have President Obama say or do differently? (re: this issue)

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    There are many things that Americans can do to be supportive of the Iranian desire for reform and freedom. Having our government actively take a role in deciding the outcome of their election is NOT one of those things.

    The U.S. should limit its involvement to facilitating Iranian communication via available technology (as they have done, so far), calling on the Iranian leadership to use peaceful means to handle protests, and stating clearly that the Iranians deserve an election that is not fraudulent.

    Going beyond that point will do harm to this process.

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Obama is carefully wording his language to the point that the USA does not represent support to a cause to remove the regime in Iran..that's horrible.
    And that is a good thing. If Obama were to publicly support the removal of this regime, Ahmanutjob would just use that as an excuse to bring about full use of his military on the protesters claiming they are nothing but an American coerced militia force trying to overthrow the government.

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    Trading with a foreign country is one thing and deciding who rules it is another.
    Trading with another nation is one thing, nationalizing billions of investment and foreign assets is quite another. Quid pro quo. If you don't want us to try to secure our national economic interests within your countries then perhaps it's time to stop having economic ties with one another. The U.S. doesn't go about nationalizing foreign assets; unfortunately, however, that is the status quo for those countries which we have on occasion "meddled" politically in. This is a kind of a one or another deal, if you don't want us involved politically in your countries then I'm afraid we can't be involved economically either.

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    This is a kind of a one or another deal, if you don't want us involved politically in your countries then I'm afraid we can't be involved economically either.
    Sorry, but that is not how trade works.

    Trading with a country, does not give the right for any party in the trade to meddle with a country politically. Given your logic, it would be ok for China to meddle with the U.S. government because they trade with us.

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    And we'll continue to have terrorist problems as those groups insure their interests
    Their interests include one world under puritanical Islam brought about through offensive Jihad and it's been that way for the last fifteen hundred years of Islamic Imperialist expansionism.

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sorry, but that is not how trade works.

    Trading with a country, does not give the right for any party in the trade to meddle with a country politically.
    It certainly gives them a vested interest in said government and a right to a degree of influence within said country especially when a populist demigod is threatening nationalization of billions in foreign direct investment and assets.

    Given your logic, it would be ok for China to meddle with the U.S. government because they trade with us.
    Um ya:

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Lobby]China Lobby - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


    But regardless the U.S. would never nationalize Chinese assets or renege on Chinese debt in the first place, and if we did I'm sure they would use every bit of influence at their disposal to stop us, and justly so.

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    You all are missing the point, "meddleing" is good IF there is a rock solid PLAN that all or most agree will serve a good purpose. We meddled in Viet Nam and Afghanistan when the Russians were there and now look. We meddled in Iraq and it may turn out OK. So, like any endeavor make damn sure you are weel schooled and willing to handle the load.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Claim 1:



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    Woo Hoo! Wikipedia being quoted as a credible source. It is not that hard to cite the source where wiki derives it's information.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Woo Hoo! Wikipedia being quoted as a credible source. It is not that hard to cite the source where wiki derives it's information.
    They had citations. Did you not know that Iran was invaded by the British and Soviets and installed the Shah's son after forcing him to abdicate, because he was pro-German and even changed the name of Persia during the rise of the Nazi party which literally means (land of the Aryans)?

    After WW2 the Soviets refused to withdrawal from Northern Iran and propped up proxy communist agent provocateurs who didn't leave with the Soviets after they were forced to withdrawal under threat of a nuclear counter by Truman.

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