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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Given we are the Great Satan AND have a track record of meddling not working, including IN IRAN, he needs to stand up for human rights and non-violence and that's it.



    What about the human rights of the Iranian people?

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What about the human rights of the Iranian people?
    We can't openly help one side or the other or fear retaliation later if the opposing side wins control.

    The only way we could openly support the protesters is if we were going to make sure they succeeded in gaining power. Doing so though will give ammunition to the Ayatollah's to call for a global rise up against the invading US that is trying to instill another Pro-western government like the Shah was.

    Unless we are willing to go all in we need to stay all out. Though we should have a stern vocal humanitarian stance, praise the people's ability for public opinion and protest, and provide aid to those harmed, if aid is permitted by the current ruling party.
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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    I think we should have a stronger statement than simple "concerned" imo.....
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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    We can't openly help one side or the other or fear retaliation later if the opposing side wins control.
    And we have a long track record of picking the losing side. Or picking the winning side and having them turn bad. A good example of our prowess in this regard is Iran. At least Obama knows his history.

    The only way we could openly support the protesters is if we were going to make sure they succeeded in gaining power. Doing so though will give ammunition to the Ayatollah's to call for a global rise up against the invading US that is trying to instill another Pro-western government like the Shah was.
    That would the worst idea since invading Iraq. It would stand no chance of working.

    Unless we are willing to go all in we need to stay all out, minus a stern vocal humanitarian stance and aid, if aid is permitted by the current ruling party.
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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What about the human rights of the Iranian people?

    YouTube - CNN: Video Of "Neda" Before She Was Killed In Iranian Protest

    Were you under the mistaken impression that we were discussing someone else's human rights? To clarify, Stekim and I both have an Iranian friend who posts in this forum. I know that Stekim has been staying abreast of this issue, and I was the first one to post the Neda video in this forum.

    I think you've prejudged Stekim (inaccurately).

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I think we should have a stronger statement than simple "concerned" imo.....
    What would your ideal statement say, Hellhound? Give us some idea of what he SHOULD have said, in your view.

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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    And we have a long track record of picking the losing side. Or picking the winning side and having them turn bad. A good example of our prowess in this regard is Iran. At least Obama knows his history.
    Which is more reason to stay out and simply let a revolution unfold if it is while supporting civilians, on both sides, through humanitarian efforts.


    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    That would the worst idea since invading Iraq. It would stand no chance of working.
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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Were you under the mistaken impression that we were discussing someone else's human rights? To clarify, Stekim and I both have an Iranian friend who posts in this forum. I know that Stekim has been staying abreast of this issue, and I was the first one to post the Neda video in this forum.

    I think you've prejudged Stekim (inaccurately).



    I have only judged him by his words, which thus far have been vapid and rather contradicting (a "libertarian" who thinks Clinton was a good Prez) for one.


    that said. I am all ears to hear how we should not have an opinion on the Iranian contest of freedom, and how Obama needs not make a strong stance for this very freedom, instead of "not meddling"...


    I am always open to having my mind changed about a poster. Thus far though I have bee far less than impressed with this one.
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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    What would your ideal statement say, Hellhound? Give us some idea of what he SHOULD have said, in your view.



    Oh I don't know... Perhaps something along these lines:


    Address to the Nation About Christmas and the Situation in Poland


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    Re: Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I have only judged him by his words, which thus far have been vapid and rather contradicting (a "libertarian" who thinks Clinton was a good Prez) for one.


    that said. I am all ears to hear how we should not have an opinion on the Iranian contest of freedom, and how Obama needs not make a strong stance for this very freedom, instead of "not meddling"...


    I am always open to having my mind changed about a poster. Thus far though I have bee far less than impressed with this one.
    He's got all kinds of opinions on Limbaugh, but nothing on Iran.
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