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    Re: Obama Extends Fed Benefits to Unmarried Partners, Including Same Sex Partners

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    OK, I will bite. Where is it documented in US law that marriage is for raising children, or however you want to word it?
    I've been posting the same links and making the same argument for years:

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    Re: Obama Extends Fed Benefits to Unmarried Partners, Including Same Sex Partners

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So then...you still don't have any support for this whole marriage being for raising children argument you keep pushing.

    Thanks for playing but you don't move on to the championship round.
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    Re: Obama Extends Fed Benefits to Unmarried Partners, Including Same Sex Partners

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I've been posting the same links and making the same argument for years:

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    Yeah, we've been reading that for years. Nothing in that case indicates that child rearing is necessary for marriage licenses.

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    Re: Obama Extends Fed Benefits to Unmarried Partners, Including Same Sex Partners

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    ...and all that jazz.


    I know you've read them.
    Yeah. And nothing in those cases indicate that child rearing is the interest of the state when it comes to marriage.

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    Re: Obama Extends Fed Benefits to Unmarried Partners, Including Same Sex Partners

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yeah. And nothing in those cases indicate that child rearing is the interest of the state when it comes to marriage.
    Oh, I thought you read them, my mistake.

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    Re: Obama Extends Fed Benefits to Unmarried Partners, Including Same Sex Partners

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I've been posting the same links and making the same argument for years:

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    Got a hady quote? searching for "children" and "child" give none found in that document.

    Also nothing for "offspring", "daughter", and "son" gives way too many matches of wrong words.
    Last edited by Redress; 06-17-09 at 05:49 PM.

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    Re: Obama Extends Fed Benefits to Unmarried Partners, Including Same Sex Partners

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh, I thought you read them, my mistake.
    Oh, I thought you were going to support your arguments, my mistake.

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    Re: Obama Extends Fed Benefits to Unmarried Partners, Including Same Sex Partners

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Got a hady quote? searching for "children" and "child" give none found in that document.
    These statutes also deprive the Lovings of liberty without due process of law in violation of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.

    Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.
    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=316&invol=535#5 41
    But the instant legislation runs afoul of the equal protection clause, though we give Oklahoma that large deference which the rule of the foregoing cases requires. We are dealing here with legislation which involves one of the basic civil rights of man. Marriage and procreation are fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race.
    This is why NJ didn't even approve of gay marriage:
    N.J. rules neither for, against gay marriage - Life- msnbc.com

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    Re: Obama Extends Fed Benefits to Unmarried Partners, Including Same Sex Partners

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This is why NJ didn't even approve of gay marriage:
    N.J. rules neither for, against gay marriage - Life- msnbc.com
    Nowhere in any of that does it say that marriage is about having/raising children.

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    Re: Obama Extends Fed Benefits to Unmarried Partners, Including Same Sex Partners

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This is why NJ didn't even approve of gay marriage:
    N.J. rules neither for, against gay marriage - Life- msnbc.com
    So how does that make child rearing the state's interest in marriage. The closest I see is an "and" statement linking marriage and procreation, but nothing making them necessarily inclusive of one another.

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