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John Ensign Affair: GOP Senator admits relationship with ex-campaign staffer

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Dr_Patrick said:
Your property?! Are you serious? What if she stops wanting to be with you? Does her opinion matter in the situation?
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I'm very serious.

As for the rest, that's a topic for a different thread.
 
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celticlord said:
I'm very serious.

As for the rest, that's a topic for a different thread.
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You brought it up! If you don't like people questioning you or your methods perhaps you shouldn't share them with us.
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
You brought it up! If you don't like people questioning you or your methods perhaps you shouldn't share them with us.
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Question away--in a proper thread.

If you wish to challenge or debate my views on this, I shall answer all your questions. But it shall not be done in this thread.
 
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celticlord said:
Question away--in a proper thread.

If you wish to challenge or debate my views on this, I shall answer all your questions. But it shall not be done in this thread.
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Seriously, what would be a proper thread title or forum for that matter to discuss whether or not women should be viewed as property?
 
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aps said:
Well, Kandahar, I have no respect for someone who has an affair with a married person. So even if I thought, "Well, he and his wife were separated," I would be reminded that the woman with whom he screwed around with was married herself. He is an asshole.
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Why is that his fault? She is the one who cheated on her husband, not him. I would presume that he didn't force her to do it.
 
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aps said:
Caine, I agree with you. My disgust towards the situation is about Ensign lecturing others about morality, when his own morality is bogus. Come on. This is a guy who said Clinton and Craig should resign because of their immoral behavior. And look at him. That's why I am pissed off. If this was someone who wasn't out there lecturing others publicly on their own morality, I wouldn't care about this situation.
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It seems to me that lecturing others publicly on their own morality is exactly what you are doing right now. Any skeletons in your closet?
 
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Kandahar said:
Why is that his fault? She is the one who cheated on her husband, not him. I would presume that he didn't force her to do it.
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i would say, based on the raises she got [leave it alone] from her jobs the senator controlled, cindy hampton was certainly enticed to "play" ball with him. that she traded sex for money doesn't speak well of her character ... not like that's gonna matter now, anyway


gotta love the support he is getting:
As Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said yesterday, "I have plenty of sins, and I'm not going to tell you about them."
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is lindsey about to emerge from the closet?
 
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Kandahar said:
It seems to me that lecturing others publicly on their own morality is exactly what you are doing right now. Any skeletons in your closet?
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Of course I have skeletons in my closet!


Am I really out of the ordinary in thinking that a single person having a relationship with a married person is a complete jerk?
 
aps said:
Of course I have skeletons in my closet!


Am I really out of the ordinary in thinking that a single person having a relationship with a married person is a complete jerk?
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Meh, seems like a moral gray area to me. But then, I wouldn't even condemn him if he had been cheating on his wife while they were together. I don't know the circumstances behind their marriage and it isn't my place to judge.

I'm just saying that it's a bit odd for you to claim that the issue here is his moral self-righteousness, when that seems to be exactly the same thing that you're doing here. That's all. I don't think that committing an immoral act (and it's a bit of a stretch to even call this an immoral act) automatically means that one is forever banned from advocating their moral principles without being a hypocrite. We're all human; no one is perfect.
 
I also think that it's odd how the sequence of events plays a big role in whether or not people detect hypocrisy.

For example, if a guy becomes an alcoholic, loses everything he owns, and then becomes an anti-alcohol spokesman, most people would praise him for being proactive and helping people avoid a serious problem in their own lives.

But if the same guy was an anti-alcohol spokesman and THEN became an alcoholic, people would accuse him of hypocrisy. But really, nothing has changed in these two examples other than the order of events.
 
Kandahar said:
Meh, seems like a moral gray area to me. But then, I wouldn't even condemn him if he had been cheating on his wife while they were together. I don't know the circumstances behind their marriage and it isn't my place to judge.

I'm just saying that it's a bit odd for you to claim that the issue here is his moral self-righteousness, when that seems to be exactly the same thing that you're doing here. That's all. I don't think that committing an immoral act (and it's a bit of a stretch to even call this an immoral act) automatically means that one is forever banned from advocating their moral principles without being a hypocrite. We're all human; no one is perfect.
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I see your point. I have stated previously that I am happy that he has gotten a taste of his own medicine. Now he sees what's it like to be Bill Clinton and Larry Craig.
 
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Caine said:
What is the significance of this?

What has he done that hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of other American men have not done?
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Well after we dospense of the items that match, men/cheating we do to the diferences. There are not millons of senators who have made statements condeming or asking for the impeachment of other politicians for doing what he did. There are not milliions of men who are the senator ranked #4 in leadership of his party, paid off their concubines with severence pay, played hide the stick with their staffers whoes husband is also a staffer, been considered a presidential possible, and so on and so on ....
 
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F107HyperSabr said:
Well after we dospense of the items that match, men/cheating we do to the diferences. There are not millons of senators who have made statements condeming or asking for the impeachment of other politicians for doing what he did. There are not milliions of men who are the senator ranked #4 in leadership of his party, paid off their concubines with severence pay, played hide the stick with their staffers whoes husband is also a staffer, been considered a presidential possible, and so on and so on ....
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Im having a hard time understanding your post since your grammar is horrible.
 
Kandahar said:
I also think that it's odd how the sequence of events plays a big role in whether or not people detect hypocrisy.

For example, if a guy becomes an alcoholic, loses everything he owns, and then becomes an anti-alcohol spokesman, most people would praise him for being proactive and helping people avoid a serious problem in their own lives.

But if the same guy was an anti-alcohol spokesman and THEN became an alcoholic, people would accuse him of hypocrisy. But really, nothing has changed in these two examples other than the order of events.
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Order of events is very important. You can repent for what you have done in the past, you cannot repent for what you have not yet done.
 
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Caine said:
Im having a hard time understanding your post since your grammar is horrible.
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That's not nice at all !! You don't even know my Grandma !! But she will hit you with her cane if I tell her what you said about her.
 
Have to ask, is this a situation of lying about having character before the affair, or compromising his character during the affair, or just trying to repair his character after the affair....
or all of the above?
 
UtahBill said:
Have to ask, is this a situation of lying about having character before the affair, or compromising his character during the affair, or just trying to repair his character after the affair....
or all of the above?
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Great line sir.
 
Still waiting for why this is newsworthy.

Newsflash: Bob the mechanic admits relationship with shop desk clerk! NEWS AT 11!

what is the difference really? Its his own private affairs.
 
You know me. I like to stir the pot from time to time. Think I will stir it a bit now.....

Remember when the National Enquirer and Drudge broke the story on John Edwards? A lot of people thought he was a disgrace. Are the same people defending Ensign now?

My position? Edwards - Personal business. Ensign - Personal business.

Republicans? Edwards - Public business. Ensign - Personal business.

Democrats? Edwards - Personal business. Ensign - Public business.

Am I calling this one right, or can somebody here correct me?
 
danarhea said:
You know me. I like to stir the pot from time to time. Think I will stir it a bit now.....

Remember when the National Enquirer and Drudge broke the story on John Edwards? A lot of people thought he was a disgrace. Are the same people defending Ensign now?

My position? Edwards - Personal business. Ensign - Personal business.

Republicans? Edwards - Public business. Ensign - Personal business.

Democrats? Edwards - Personal business. Ensign - Public business.

Am I calling this one right, or can somebody here correct me?
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I agree that you are right.

I also agree that i feel the same way about Edwards as I do about Ensign, and about Clinton.

I don't remember what my comments were regarding that other guy Aps mentioned, I might not have liked him so much....was he the guy who was being gay with the teenagers?
 
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Caine said:
Im having a hard time understanding your post since your grammar is horrible.
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Really? This grammarian understood his post. Maybe this says more about your reading comprehension than his grammar.

Was your comment necessary? Are you Ensign and you're pissed off because you're embarrassed that you have been caught acting in a manner you previously chastized?
 
Caine said:
I agree that you are right.

I also agree that i feel the same way about Edwards as I do about Ensign, and about Clinton.

I don't remember what my comments were regarding that other guy Aps mentioned, I might not have liked him so much....was he the guy who was being gay with the teenagers?
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Larry Craig? He was the one that was caught soliciting sex in a men's room and says he's not gay.

I mentioned this a long time ago, but my husband saw Larry Craig in a men's room at Chicago O'Hare airport. :lol:
 
danarhea said:
You know me. I like to stir the pot from time to time. Think I will stir it a bit now.....

Remember when the National Enquirer and Drudge broke the story on John Edwards? A lot of people thought he was a disgrace. Are the same people defending Ensign now?

My position? Edwards - Personal business. Ensign - Personal business.

Republicans? Edwards - Public business. Ensign - Personal business.

Democrats? Edwards - Personal business. Ensign - Public business.

Am I calling this one right, or can somebody here correct me?
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The problem is that when you are the party that A) vows to protect the "sanctity of marriage" and B) proclaims yourself as the more "moral" party, you just become the hypocritical party and your arguments bear less weight.
 
Smoke[MaxX] said:
The problem is that when you are the party that A) vows to protect the "sanctity of marriage" and B) proclaims yourself as the more "moral" party, you just become the hypocritical party and your arguments bear less weight.
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This is going to be a back and forth partisan mouth frothiness isn't it?
 
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