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John Ensign Affair: GOP Senator admits relationship with ex-campaign staffer

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Well, Kandahar, I have no respect for someone who has an affair with a married person. So even if I thought, "Well, he and his wife were separated," I would be reminded that the woman with whom he screwed around with was married herself. He is an asshole.
Unless you're arguing that he forced his attentions on the woman, this is a non-argument. She chose to enjoy a man besides her husband--any moral indignation on that side of this soap opera goes to her not to Ensign.

Besides, given that the husband opted for blackmail rather than a beatdown, it seems he's ok with letting other men enjoy his woman, so long as they are willing to pay the rental fee.
 
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Unless you're arguing that he forced his attentions on the woman, this is a non-argument. She chose to enjoy a man besides her husband--any moral indignation on that side of this soap opera goes to her not to Ensign.

well, no. Just because it is not your marriage does not mean you should not respect it. As long as he knew she was married, he should also have known she was off limits.

Course, that is just my opinion on that subject. I think some one for whom marriage vows mean so little that they will break them to cheat is no better or worse than some one who does not respect those vows in others, if you follow what I am saying.
 
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well, no. Just because it is not your marriage does not mean you should not respect it. As long as he knew she was married, he should also have known she was off limits.
The only thing that makes a woman "off limits" is a Smith & Wesson in the hands of the man to whom she belongs. A ring don't mean squat in that regard.
 
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The only thing that makes a woman "off limits" is a Smith & Wesson in the hands of the man to whom she belongs. A ring don't mean squat in that regard.

Woah! Testosterone overload there!
 
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Woah! Testosterone overload there!
Just the reality of relationships.

If a man wants to keep his woman, he needs to be taking steps to ensure no other man comes and takes her. If he doesn't, another man will come and take her.

The only person who's a total loser in this soap opera is the husband. Going back for hush money makes him a pimp, not a man.
 
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It is truly fascinating to see how many on the right say, "Who cares?" I felt that way yesterday, but that was before I found out:

(1) he called for Clinton's impeachment over the Monica Lewinsky scandal;

(2) he called for Larry Craig's resignation for his bathroom scene (which didn't even amount to physical contact);

(3) he is a member of "Promise Keepers," which says they are "Men with Integrity." Home - Promise Keepers

He's a ****ing loser, and I am thrilled that this has come out and that his chances of running for president in 2012 are gone. Buh-bye, you unfaithful jerk.

Being separated from one's spouse is not a termination of the marriage.


You know, I think that there is the ideal of marriage, and then there is the reality of marriage. And the fact of the matter, all fairy tales aside, is that marriage is f'ing hard. Brutal, even. And many of us have said, "I will NEVER do that," and then we get a few more years under our belts, and we realize how easy it is to either make a mistake or give up.

I never thought I'd be divorced. But sometimes, you get to a point where you just can't do it anymore. And the ideals that you embraced when you were younger simply aren't attainable.

I don't judge people very much anymore for these sorts of things. Life is a lot harder than we think when we're young. And really, it's none of my business. i said this about clinton, and I say it now. Don't care.

This is between this guy and his wife/family. So was the Lewinsky issue.
 
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John Ensign Affair: GOP Senator Admits Relationship With Ex-Campaign Staffer

Will their be as much outrage from the GOP and right wing as there was with John Edwards?

Didn't this guy take to the Senate floor defending the sanctity of marriage?

Why would he discriminate against gay marriage on one hand using the sanctity of marriage argument and the violate that same sanctity.

Apparently he was "friends" with the womans husband, whom also worked for him.
That has no effect on the sanctity of marriage, just John Ensign.
 
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Unless you're arguing that he forced his attentions on the woman, this is a non-argument. She chose to enjoy a man besides her husband--any moral indignation on that side of this soap opera goes to her not to Ensign.

Anything that doesn't agree with exactly how you feel about something is a non-argument or non-issue. If celticlord doesn't see things your way, it has no validity whatsoever. Blah blah blah blah

I would be shocked if the majority of people said it's okay for a single person to have an affair with a married person since the single person is, well, single. Even if I was in the minority in feeling that it's immoral to come on to a married person, I wouldn't care. I stand by my assessment whether you think it's a non issue or not.
 
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I stand by my assessment whether you think it's a non issue or not.
Bully for you. You're still wrong.
 
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Anything that doesn't agree with exactly how you feel about something is a non-argument or non-issue. If celticlord doesn't see things your way, it has no validity whatsoever. Blah blah blah blah

I would be shocked if the majority of people said it's okay for a single person to have an affair with a married person since the single person is, well, single. Even if I was in the minority in feeling that it's immoral to come on to a married person, I wouldn't care. I stand by my assessment whether you think it's a non issue or not.

Ah, so you have met Celticlord. Arrogance as political philosophy is a new one to me.
 
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Bully for you. You're still wrong.

Of course I'm wrong....because YOU said so.

I'm done reading yours posts. They aren't even interesting.
 
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Just the reality of relationships.

If a man wants to keep his woman, he needs to be taking steps to ensure no other man comes and takes her. If he doesn't, another man will come and take her.

The only person who's a total loser in this soap opera is the husband. Going back for hush money makes him a pimp, not a man.

Wow. Talk about cave man mentality.

So, in CL world, women are merely props to the testosterone laden violence of men, right? We're property that will stray if not watched (with a loaded gun).

Is that really how you see male/female dynamics?

This is definitely one of the most bizarre assessments of the marital relationship that I've ever read.
 
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Wow. Talk about cave man mentality.

So, in CL world, women are merely props to the testosterone laden violence of men, right? We're property that will stray if not watched (with a loaded gun).

Is that really how you see male/female dynamics?

This is definitely one of the most bizarre assessments of the marital relationship that I've ever read.

Didn't you know that women are not people?
 
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Wow. Talk about cave man mentality.
Wow, talk about ignorance.

So, in CL world, women are merely props to the testosterone laden violence of men, right? We're property that will stray if not watched (with a loaded gun).
You are partially correct--yes, my woman is my property. What other men do with their women is for them to figure out.

As for the straying bit, allow me to translate into a more politically correct liberalese to see if that will penetrate: If man or woman is neglected by the other, if the needs of the one are not attended to by the other, those needs are going to ultimately be met by someone else.

A common attribute of the feminine personality is a desire to be wanted, desired, and valued. What a man desires, he defends. What he does not defend, he does not desire overmuch.

Is that really how you see male/female dynamics?
That is how you see what I said from the perspective of your high horse.

This is definitely one of the most bizarre assessments of the marital relationship that I've ever read.
No more bizarre than your apparent desire to be neglected and anemically handled by the male of the species.
 
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Just the reality of relationships.

If a man wants to keep his woman, he needs to be taking steps to ensure no other man comes and takes her. If he doesn't, another man will come and take her.

The only person who's a total loser in this soap opera is the husband. Going back for hush money makes him a pimp, not a man.

Nah, it actually sounds like the realities of an incredibly insecure man. Any man who is secure in his relationship doesn't need to use lame threats of guns and violence. At first I thought you were joking around because of the absurdity of your posts. It's sad that you are actually serious about this.
 
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Didn't you know that women are not people?
Wow, what a completely wrong and inane thing to say.
 
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I was under the mistaken impression that women are people, but Cavemanlord disabused me of that notion.
You are under several mistaken impressions.

However, if you are that quick to lay aside your own humanity, at least show the courtesy of not blaming others for your foolishness.
 
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Wow, what a completely wrong and inane thing to say.

That is almost exactly what you where saying. If that is not what you intended, then you need to phrase yourself better.
 
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You are partially correct--yes, my woman is my property. What other men do with their women is for them to figure out.

Your property?! Are you serious? What if she stops wanting to be with you? Does her opinion matter in the situation?

As for the straying bit, allow me to translate into a more politically correct liberalese to see if that will penetrate: If man or woman is neglected by the other, if the needs of the one are not attended to by the other, those needs are going to ultimately be met by someone else.

Uh, I don't think it has anything to do with being PC. I think people pretty much across the board would agree that no woman is the property of her boyfriend/husband/etc.
 
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Nah, it actually sounds like the realities of an incredibly insecure man. Any man who is secure in his relationship doesn't need to use lame threats of guns and violence. At first I thought you were joking around because of the absurdity of your posts. It's sad that you are actually serious about this.
Ah yes, the knee-jerk reaction: "insecurity".

Because I defend what is mine, I am insecure?

Because I value what is mine, I am insecure?

I have commented at length on my willingness to fight and die in defense of home and country. Why on earth should I value my woman any less than these?

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I am quite happy to debate you at length on these topics, but I can see we're venturing very far from the topic of this thread. If you wish to engage me on this further, I suggest starting a new thread in the appropriate forum.
 
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Wow, talk about ignorance.

You are partially correct--yes, my woman is my property.

Wrong. Your woman is NOT your property, and you have no legal or ethical standing for saying otherwise.

If man or woman is neglected by the other, if the needs of the one are not attended to by the other, those needs are going to ultimately be met by someone else.

It depends largely upon the ethical values and moral character of the person in question. I was unhappily married for many years, and I can't say that we had much of a sex life (not by my choice). I did not cheat. That is not who I am, and it is not a behavior that I chose to engage in, even though I easily could have. Fear of my husband, or the belief that I was his property, in no way factored into that decision. It was a decision that I made on the basis of my own values.

A common attribute of the feminine personality is a desire to be wanted, desired, and valued. What a man desires, he defends. What he does not defend, he does not desire overmuch.

YOu can cloak it in pretty words, but the fact remains that you expressed a view that women would be "stolen" unless defended at gunpoint.

My boyfriend values me, but doesn't treat me like a fortress to be defended. He treats me like a person of character equal to his own. He realizes that he has no control over what I do, or what I choose, but he expects that as a person of high worth, I will behave up to a certain standard, as I expect of him.

Your view of women as property is archaic, and that's putting it nicely.


That is how you see what I said from the perspective of your high horse.

That's how I see what you said based upon your own words.
No more bizarre than your apparent desire to be neglected and anemically handled by the male of the species.

False dichotomy. I'm not a piece of property, or a herd animal or a possession. I'm an equal, a partner, a member of the same team.
 
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Ah yes, the knee-jerk reaction: "insecurity".

Because I defend what is mine, I am insecure?

Because I value what is mine, I am insecure?

Because you feel the need to protect something as if it is your property and as if it is constantly being threatened, yeah. If you are with a woman and she leaves you for someone else, is that not her right to do so?

I have commented at length on my willingness to fight and die in defense of home and country. Why on earth should I value my woman any less than these?

Your home and country are concepts and ideals. A woman is an actual living, breathing person just as you are. The fact that you view a woman as your property tells me that you don't value her that much.
 
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