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    Re: Ensign acknowledges extramarital affair

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Wow. Talk about cave man mentality.
    Wow, talk about ignorance.

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    So, in CL world, women are merely props to the testosterone laden violence of men, right? We're property that will stray if not watched (with a loaded gun).
    You are partially correct--yes, my woman is my property. What other men do with their women is for them to figure out.

    As for the straying bit, allow me to translate into a more politically correct liberalese to see if that will penetrate: If man or woman is neglected by the other, if the needs of the one are not attended to by the other, those needs are going to ultimately be met by someone else.

    A common attribute of the feminine personality is a desire to be wanted, desired, and valued. What a man desires, he defends. What he does not defend, he does not desire overmuch.

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    Is that really how you see male/female dynamics?
    That is how you see what I said from the perspective of your high horse.

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    This is definitely one of the most bizarre assessments of the marital relationship that I've ever read.
    No more bizarre than your apparent desire to be neglected and anemically handled by the male of the species.

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    Re: Ensign acknowledges extramarital affair

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Just the reality of relationships.

    If a man wants to keep his woman, he needs to be taking steps to ensure no other man comes and takes her. If he doesn't, another man will come and take her.

    The only person who's a total loser in this soap opera is the husband. Going back for hush money makes him a pimp, not a man.
    Nah, it actually sounds like the realities of an incredibly insecure man. Any man who is secure in his relationship doesn't need to use lame threats of guns and violence. At first I thought you were joking around because of the absurdity of your posts. It's sad that you are actually serious about this.

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    Re: Ensign acknowledges extramarital affair

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Didn't you know that women are not people?
    Wow, what a completely wrong and inane thing to say.

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    Re: Ensign acknowledges extramarital affair

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I was under the mistaken impression that women are people, but Cavemanlord disabused me of that notion.
    You are under several mistaken impressions.

    However, if you are that quick to lay aside your own humanity, at least show the courtesy of not blaming others for your foolishness.

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    Re: Ensign acknowledges extramarital affair

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Wow, what a completely wrong and inane thing to say.
    That is almost exactly what you where saying. If that is not what you intended, then you need to phrase yourself better.

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    Re: Ensign acknowledges extramarital affair

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    You are partially correct--yes, my woman is my property. What other men do with their women is for them to figure out.
    Your property?! Are you serious? What if she stops wanting to be with you? Does her opinion matter in the situation?

    As for the straying bit, allow me to translate into a more politically correct liberalese to see if that will penetrate: If man or woman is neglected by the other, if the needs of the one are not attended to by the other, those needs are going to ultimately be met by someone else.
    Uh, I don't think it has anything to do with being PC. I think people pretty much across the board would agree that no woman is the property of her boyfriend/husband/etc.

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    Re: Ensign acknowledges extramarital affair

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Nah, it actually sounds like the realities of an incredibly insecure man. Any man who is secure in his relationship doesn't need to use lame threats of guns and violence. At first I thought you were joking around because of the absurdity of your posts. It's sad that you are actually serious about this.
    Ah yes, the knee-jerk reaction: "insecurity".

    Because I defend what is mine, I am insecure?

    Because I value what is mine, I am insecure?

    I have commented at length on my willingness to fight and die in defense of home and country. Why on earth should I value my woman any less than these?

    Edit to add:
    I am quite happy to debate you at length on these topics, but I can see we're venturing very far from the topic of this thread. If you wish to engage me on this further, I suggest starting a new thread in the appropriate forum.
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    Re: Ensign acknowledges extramarital affair

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Wow, talk about ignorance.

    You are partially correct--yes, my woman is my property.
    Wrong. Your woman is NOT your property, and you have no legal or ethical standing for saying otherwise.

    If man or woman is neglected by the other, if the needs of the one are not attended to by the other, those needs are going to ultimately be met by someone else.
    It depends largely upon the ethical values and moral character of the person in question. I was unhappily married for many years, and I can't say that we had much of a sex life (not by my choice). I did not cheat. That is not who I am, and it is not a behavior that I chose to engage in, even though I easily could have. Fear of my husband, or the belief that I was his property, in no way factored into that decision. It was a decision that I made on the basis of my own values.

    A common attribute of the feminine personality is a desire to be wanted, desired, and valued. What a man desires, he defends. What he does not defend, he does not desire overmuch.
    YOu can cloak it in pretty words, but the fact remains that you expressed a view that women would be "stolen" unless defended at gunpoint.

    My boyfriend values me, but doesn't treat me like a fortress to be defended. He treats me like a person of character equal to his own. He realizes that he has no control over what I do, or what I choose, but he expects that as a person of high worth, I will behave up to a certain standard, as I expect of him.

    Your view of women as property is archaic, and that's putting it nicely.


    That is how you see what I said from the perspective of your high horse.
    That's how I see what you said based upon your own words.
    No more bizarre than your apparent desire to be neglected and anemically handled by the male of the species.
    False dichotomy. I'm not a piece of property, or a herd animal or a possession. I'm an equal, a partner, a member of the same team.

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    Re: Ensign acknowledges extramarital affair

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Ah yes, the knee-jerk reaction: "insecurity".

    Because I defend what is mine, I am insecure?

    Because I value what is mine, I am insecure?
    Because you feel the need to protect something as if it is your property and as if it is constantly being threatened, yeah. If you are with a woman and she leaves you for someone else, is that not her right to do so?

    I have commented at length on my willingness to fight and die in defense of home and country. Why on earth should I value my woman any less than these?
    Your home and country are concepts and ideals. A woman is an actual living, breathing person just as you are. The fact that you view a woman as your property tells me that you don't value her that much.

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    Re: Ensign acknowledges extramarital affair

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