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    Re: ABC News Teams Up With Obama White House to Present President's Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    First off, I watch tons of cable news. It's on all day while I'm doing stuff here in the house. I've never seen Bush clear brush on his farm. But if such footage did air I imagine if that's what he was doing at the time then it was a fluff piece. However Obama was presumably sitting down and being interviewed last night. Yet the coverage, on every channel, consisted of look how cool this dude is...he can snatch an f-ing fly out of the air. It's weird. Obama's on tv way too much and he has some weird effect on folks. It's nauseating.
    I know this is going to be hard for you to believe, but people are actually interested in these things. Remember the dog thing? That was all my stepmother could talk about for a week, solid(and she don't much like black folks). There is a real fascination with the Obama's among a large portion of the population.

    I think it was there to an extent with Bush, but since I tuned out when Bush fluff pieces aired due to not likeing the guy, I missed them.

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    Re: ABC News Teams Up With Obama White House to Present President's Health Care Plan

    Here's the thing if anyone else killed a fly it would be edited out. But my God I have listened all morning to different folks on a variety of shows talk about Obama's skills, his precision, his coolness, he was called a ninja by one guy, etc. I mean how much marveling can we do over killing a fly? It's not that a big a deal. What makes it so cool when Obama does it? The adoration that surrounds him is just frankly bizarre and weird. There's something wrong with the media.

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    Re: ABC News Teams Up With Obama White House to Present President's Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    An informed electorate has all sides of the issue.
    That's right, they do! Again, I believe this needs to be made the norm in elections and during debates over important issues such as healthcare.

    The Messiah isn't going to present the flip side of what he proposes, like, it'll be five times more expensive than he's going to say it is, it's going to be like going to the DMV, that it will reduce the quality of care from what most people currently recieve, and that it just won't work.

    His not going to mention anything as minor as that.
    Firstly, it's really hard to take anyone seriously that refers to Obama as the "Messiah". It paints you in a very overly-partisan light and really detracts from your overall argument... in my humble opinion, anyway.

    Secondly, do you have anything based in fact to back up your assertion that things will get worse and more expensive? Anything at all? Of course not, because he hasn't even laid out his plan. All you have to go with is rhetoric and fear-mongering espoused from talking heads and "news" sources.

    What I can tell you is that John Conyer's plan would cost less than I pay for inadequate healthcare through my employer. A 3.2% payroll tax on my salary would be $110 a month, with no co-pay, deductible, or bridge unlike my $190 a month currently runs. Not to mention it would save my employer hundreds of dollars a month as well! Not only would it be cheaper for business and for me, but this kind of plan is extremely cost-effective and would be similar to what the rest of the civilized world enjoys according to the World Health Organization.

    And another question arises. ABC is going to give this boy an hour of prime-time propaganda space for a partisan political purpose. Is that a multi-million contribution to Obama's re-election campaign, or just to the DNC? What are the caps on donations to a political party or candidate from corporate sources? Since this is an exclusive informercial failing to meet journalistic standards for unbiased news reporting, it can't be counted as "public service".
    Seems to me that it's not a contribution of any sort. They're allowing the POTUS to speak, which is typically fantastic for ratings, thus increasing their ad revenue for the hour. It's smart business if anything else.

    Also, nobody is calling this journalism, and if you're going to start citing journalistic standards, most things on FOX and MSNBC could hardly be considered news by any stretch of the imagination.
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    Re: ABC News Teams Up With Obama White House to Present President's Health Care Plan

    Talloulou, did you read this thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/bias-m...-get-room.html

    The source Triad linked had an interesting stat:

    The treatment went the other way for Bush, with news coverage leaning positive, while op ed and editorials studied were decidedly negative.
    People just like Obama more than Bush, so he gets more fluff.

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    Re: ABC News Teams Up With Obama White House to Present President's Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post

    I think it was there to an extent with Bush, but since I tuned out when Bush fluff pieces aired due to not likeing the guy, I missed them.
    No it absolutely was not like this with Bush. I think even with Clinton it was obvious the guy had charisma but I've never seen the media fawn over any politician to the extent that they fawn over Obama. It is nauseating and freaky.

    It's like we're a bunch of airheads, the journalists are airheads, and we're all sitting around stoned saying dumb **** like, "Dude he killed a fly, he's an f-ing ninja. He's so cool."

    It is bizarre.

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    Re: ABC News Teams Up With Obama White House to Present President's Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Yet the coverage, on every channel, consisted of look how cool this dude is...he can snatch an f-ing fly out of the air. It's weird. Obama's on tv way too much and he has some weird effect on folks. It's nauseating.
    That's not much different than airing a "fluff" piece of Bush clearing brush in Texas. Look at how manly and cowboyish he is!

    See, I can do it too. It's all relative.
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    Re: ABC News Teams Up With Obama White House to Present President's Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I did. Pay attention.
    I am paying attention.

    You're not disturbed that The Messiah is being granted exclusive time to present a single side of a critical national issue by a media outlet that pretends to have journalistic ethics, and you see no threat to the republic in this fawning behavior.

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    Re: ABC News Teams Up With Obama White House to Present President's Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Talloulou, did you read this thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/bias-m...-get-room.html

    The source Triad linked had an interesting stat:



    People just like Obama more than Bush, so he gets more fluff.
    Well I don't mind if they like him more. I just want them not to be so awe struck wandering around like love sick puppies because there is a certain amount of blinders involved with those type of feelings and we can't afford a media wearing those type of blinders in regards to our President.

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    Re: ABC News Teams Up With Obama White House to Present President's Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Well I don't mind if they like him more. I just want them not to be so awe struck wandering around like love sick puppies because there is a certain amount of blinders involved with those type of feelings and we can't afford a media wearing those type of blinders in regards to our President.
    Get used to it for awhile. Us liberals went through it with Bush, whether you want to admit it or not. Maybe not to quite the same extent, but the media reacts to what draws ratings. Guess what is drawing them ratings right now.

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    Re: ABC News Teams Up With Obama White House to Present President's Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Are you freaking kidding me? We just spent 8 years with an administration that blatantly used Fox News as a tool to promote their propoganda and ruin those who opposed them. Genetic? If anything it's contagious, and we caught it from you.
    What are you talking about? Did Bush invite the Foxnews team to do a 24 hour News spread to help him push one of his plans? Invited them into the White house to run everything with no other outlets? I think not.


    It's not that it really matters, ABC news is bottom feeder news rating wise anyhow.
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