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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Tienanmen Square, 1989. Ring a bell?

    Tanks are most effective interlocutors of public policy.
    There was limited protest, should the People of China rise up, there's nothing the Chinese government can do. That's 1/5 of the world's population. And even one against tanks, the symbolism of Tienanmen Square lives on in those whom are able to learn about it. It doesn't stop the fact that Iran may be heading towards a necessary revolution.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Actually, I'm thinking more Bucharest than Beijing, with Khameni in the Ceaucesceu role.
    I did not actually watch and have the connection in that case, but I see your point.

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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There was limited protest, should the People of China rise up, there's nothing the Chinese government can do. That's 1/5 of the world's population. And even one against tanks, the symbolism of Tienanmen Square lives on in those whom are able to learn about it. It doesn't stop the fact that Iran may be heading towards a necessary revolution.
    The Chinese People did rise up once. It was in 1911 and it was called The Cultural Revolution...under Mao Zedong.

    Take down one tyrant, and replace it with another. That's the way the world has always worked.
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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    On that topic, does this effect anyone else kinda like Tienamen did? I remember seeing the coverage when it was going on, and being just emotionally devastated. Somehow I am having a similar reaction here, just really feeling for the protesters, and becoming emotionally attached.

    Hell yes. See avatar.

    Knowing that my forum friend, Perham, with whom I've posted for the last 3 years, is there, wanting his vote to count, makes it even more real to me. If you knew Perham like many of the PF posters know Perham, you'd be even more impacted, I guarantee it.

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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    The Chinese People did rise up once. It was in 1911 and it was called The Cultural Revolution...under Mao Zedong.

    Take down one tyrant, and replace it with another. That's the way the world has always worked.
    We rolled a natural 20 in our revolution. Though this really is off topic now.

    The point was to say that it is possible to successfully revolt against a technologically superior force and that is aided by having the tools necessary for revolt. Iran has an educated populace and a desire for some form of actual democracy, if there is a country in the ME ripe for revolution and the establishment of as near a Western style democracy as could naturally evolve in the area; Iran is where it's at. This election and the atrocities the Iranian government is taking against its people highlights the necessity for revolution in Iran.

    But you are right in that it's always some form of dice throw, you may not come out better; which is why revolution is the final option and not something lightly engaged in.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We rolled a natural 20 in our revolution. Though this really is off topic now.

    The point was to say that it is possible to successfully revolt against a technologically superior force and that is aided by having the tools necessary for revolt. Iran has an educated populace and a desire for some form of actual democracy, if there is a country in the ME ripe for revolution and the establishment of as near a Western style democracy as could naturally evolve in the area; Iran is where it's at. This election and the atrocities the Iranian government is taking against its people highlights the necessity for revolution in Iran.
    We did not kick the King off his throne. Their technology was not far superior. If the Kingdom hadn't been fracturing by revolts across her realm, then we would face severe attrition.

    I am fairly confident in the Iranian citizen's ability to revolt against their rulers.

    A Chinese revolution would be too much damaging to international trade for it to sit well on the Western tongue.
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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Good lord you gun nuts can use anything to push your agenda. That is just sad.
    You think it's nutty for the citizenry to be able to defend itself against the tyranny of the state? The difference between an armed an unarmed populace is the difference between freedom and slavery.

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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Let me give you a hint: a country with tanks and a military is not going to be slowed down much by a few people with rifles.
    Ya I bet that's what the British said circa 1776. "They're just a bunch of farmers with rifles, we have heavy cavalry and the largest military in the world."

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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    The Chinese People did rise up once. It was in 1911 and it was called The Cultural Revolution...under Mao Zedong.

    Take down one tyrant, and replace it with another. That's the way the world has always worked.
    You're serious aren't you? Cultural Revolution in 1911? Somebody needs to buy a history book.

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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Ya I bet that's what the British said circa 1776. "They're just a bunch of farmers with rifles, we have heavy cavalry and the largest military in the world."
    Completely different. A rifle against heavy cavalry is of some effect. Rifles against tanks and military jet's and modern military hardware and training is of no effect.

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