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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Good lord you gun nuts can use anything to push your agenda. That is just sad.
    What's sad is not supporting the right of the Iranian People to defend themselves against a tyrannical and treasonous government. The form of government that may have rigged an election, the form of government which sent in its armed police to murder students. I for one would like the tools necessary to fight back, and if possible overthrow such a horribly tyrannical government.
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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What's sad is not supporting the right of the Iranian People to defend themselves against a tyrannical and treasonous government. The form of government that may have rigged an election, the form of government which sent in its armed police to murder students. I for one would like the tools necessary to fight back, and if possible overthrow such a horribly tyrannical government.
    I don't control Iran, nor do you or any one else in the US. We don't make policy over there, or their laws. There are any number of threads about guns, why not stick to those with gun crap.

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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Because I was replying to a thread in which the topic was a people being killed by their government for political protest reasons. Thus the right to keep and bear arms is well connected with the People's ability to enforce the exercise of their rights against the militaristic arm of people control used by the government. Why don't you actually contribute to the thread instead of just insulting my posts and doing nothing but taking up space in the thread.
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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Never is there a more crystal clear demonstration of the necessity to keep and bear arms as there is in the actions taken in Iran against its People currently.
    I doubt there are few more categorical defenders of the 2nd Amendment than myself, but I have to agree with Redress on this one.

    The topic is Iran and their protest-cum-rebellion, not the 2nd Amendment.

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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because I was replying to a thread in which the topic was a people being killed by their government for political protest reasons. Thus the right to keep and bear arms is well connected with the People's ability to enforce the exercise of their rights against the militaristic arm of people control used by the government. Why don't you actually contribute to the thread instead of just insulting my posts and doing nothing but taking up space in the thread.
    Let me give you a hint: a country with tanks and a military is not going to be slowed down much by a few people with rifles. Further, the one country that we can control policy in, something like what is happening in Iran is not going to happen.

    Or to put it another way, guns are a nonissue with what is happening in Iran.

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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I doubt there are few more categorical defenders of the 2nd Amendment than myself, but I have to agree with Redress on this one.

    The topic is Iran and their protest-cum-rebellion, not the 2nd Amendment.
    I didn't mention 2nd amendment, I mentioned the Students ability to fight back against the Police in a country desperate for revolution.

    Again. If any of you actually wish to contribute to the conversation, you're more than welcome.
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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I doubt there are few more categorical defenders of the 2nd Amendment than myself, but I have to agree with Redress on this one.

    The topic is Iran and their protest-cum-rebellion, not the 2nd Amendment.
    On that topic, does this effect anyone else kinda like Tienamen did? I remember seeing the coverage when it was going on, and being just emotionally devastated. Somehow I am having a similar reaction here, just really feeling for the protesters, and becoming emotionally attached.

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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Let me give you a hint: a country with tanks and a military is not going to be slowed down much by a few people with rifles. Further, the one country that we can control policy in, something like what is happening in Iran is not going to happen.

    Or to put it another way, guns are a nonissue with what is happening in Iran.
    The Chinese government has tanks and a military, and should its People revolt especially with guns, there's nothing the government could do to stop it. The numbers are on the other side. Furthermore, we have no control of the policy set by Iran and in general neither do its People. The armed citizenry would stand better chance of resisting the violence perpetrated against it in both election fraud and actual killing had they the means to revolution.

    The US has tanks and a military and even we haven't quelled the fires in Iraq for how many years now? Tools and resolve are all that is needed.
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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The Chinese government has tanks and a military.
    Tienanmen Square, 1989. Ring a bell?

    Tanks are most effective interlocutors of public policy.

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    Re: Claims of student massacre spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    On that topic, does this effect anyone else kinda like Tienamen did? I remember seeing the coverage when it was going on, and being just emotionally devastated. Somehow I am having a similar reaction here, just really feeling for the protesters, and becoming emotionally attached.
    Actually, I'm thinking more Bucharest than Beijing, with Khameni in the Ceaucesceu role.

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