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    Re: McCain: Iran Election "Corrupt"

    Ok when is the deadline on this for you.

    I want some realistic deadline not oh when the sky is colored blue and bam flies by your window on fairy wings.

    Iran has until date x to stop or else.
    When is that...?

    Negotiations already failed. You like many others who argue the same way you are ignore that.
    SO DUH I don't want more talks, more fake promises, more empty words, more high minded nonsense the time for talking is over.

    If they need any help they can probably get it form North Korea...but they likely don't.

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    Every damn year Iran says UP YOURS, DEATH TO THE JEWS ,DEATH TO AMERICA, supplies terrorist etc..... and continue processing nuclear material while obviously to any idiot trying to make a weapon.


    EVERY YEAR..whens it stop?

    IMO Obama and probably you will do this every year until Iran gets a nuclear weapon and then turn right around and say well we can't do anything about it now.
    IOW its stops when Iran gets what it wants.

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    Re: McCain: Iran Election "Corrupt"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You're wrong. He said a few key things that needed to be said:



    That was exactly what needed to be said, and what I EXPECTED would be said.

    There were 3 things he needed to get across:

    1. We're watching...2. Iranians should decide (not the mullahs)...and 3. peaceful dissent should not be subjected to violence.

    Beyond that, there is nothing that can be said at this point in time. And, the U.S. could also make things worse by appearing to tamper with their election.


    We're doing nothing and Proud of it?

    Weee look at me say nothing and later then eveyrone else too!
    --that kinda fits with his narcissistic appeaser mentality now don't it..catz


    When Hillary resigns to start her 2012 bid remember this it will be part of her 3am: 'I told You So' campaign.I think she'll have plenty of opposition
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    He should have enhanced his wordage on our a support for democracy..dropped the USA is a football BS and agree with the EU that the repression is reprehensible and wrong. While vocally stating that the USA would 'prefer to not have the theocracy in power' but that is the way it is for now.
    He did none of that...
    He came closest to the last bit but he did it in a hat in hand come hither and talk with us manner.

    USA delayed kinda ho hum BS responded to this. The French responded better.
    Why?

    The French as part of the EU(US agreed to let Europe negotiate remember the left was all OMG Bush has to let the Europeans talks to them!..and he did-memories)had their negotiations and got told to piss off..
    Obama is not backing them up.
    Last edited by Triad; 06-16-09 at 03:04 AM.

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    Re: McCain: Iran Election "Corrupt"

    I find myself in the odd position of finding the BBC generally is saying the same thing I am...just nicer

    Obama's cautious reaction to Iran

    By Jonathan Beale
    BBC News, Washington

    It took President Obama until Monday evening to respond publicly to the outcome of the Iranian election.

    Fair enough, given the initial confusion and the sensitivity of the issue.

    When he did break his silence, his words suggested he was walking a fine diplomatic line.
    ....

    But is it a triumph of pragmatism over principle?

    The charge levelled against President Bush was that he was too simplistic, that there was no nuance in his foreign policy, that he only saw the world in black and white.

    But if he were in charge now, we would at least know his verdict on these elections
    BBC NEWS | Americas | Obama's cautious reaction to Iran

    More and more the media isn't just shuffling his routines under the covers and saying all's well.


    Coupled with this-

    U.S. Urges Iran to Accept Invite to Nuclear Talks

    Monday, June 15, 2009


    UNITED NATIONS — The United States urged Iran on Monday to agree to a meeting with the six key nations trying to ensure that its nuclear program is peaceful in which the U.S. will be "a full participant."

    U.S. deputy ambassador Rosemary DiCarlo told the U.N. Security Council that Iran has not responded to the request from the five permanent council members — the U.S., Russia, China, Britain and France — and Germany for new talks, which would be the first international discussion on Iran's nuclear program since President Barack Obama took office in January.

    "The United States remains committed to direct diplomacy with Iran to resolve issues of concern to the international community and will engage on the basis of mutual respect," DiCarlo said. "The United States will be a full participant in these discussions and we continue to urge Iran to accept this invitation."
    U.S. Urges Iran to Accept Invite to Nuclear Talks - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com

    The protesters are nuisances to Obama's plans and he's telling not only Iran that but the protesters as well.
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    Re: McCain: Iran Election "Corrupt"

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    We're doing nothing and Proud of it?

    Weee look at me say nothing and later then eveyrone else too!
    --that kinda fits with his narcissistic appeaser mentality now don't it..catz
    What part of "this isn't about us" do you not get? Talk about narcissistic.

    If and when the leaders of the protest call for American support, then that is the time for us to take a stronger stance. BUT, at this point in time, by throwing our weight too strongly behind a particular candidate, we could actually cause harm to the people risking their lives for freedom in Iran, and undermine their cause.

    This isn't a "hammer" issue. If a hammer is all you have, then you think everything looks like a nail. This is a delicate electronic instrument.

    You can't beat on it with a hammer and sound the drums of war, and think it's going to help.

    The Washington Independent This Is Not About Making the U.S. Feel Good About Itself


    What’s missing here is an effort at determining what the Iranian dissenters want from the Obama administration. The fact that it’s not clear what the answer to that question is itself serves as a powerful indicator that the protest movement is first and foremost concerned about handling this on its own. As best I can tell from NIAC and from Twitter and from talking with Iranian human rights advocates in the United States, the dissenters want the Obama administration to refuse to recognize Ahmadinejad’s claims of victory; to express concern for the safety of the protesters; and then to get out of the way. The Obama administration can be fairly criticized for not saying enough on the second point, though if, as Michael Scherer believes, Obama’s going to say something at 5 p.m., maybe that will change. But it doesn’t follow from Obama’s muted discussion of the dissenters that he’s indifferent to their plight. From talking to administration officials, I am convinced that they are very concerned that American rhetorical support will immediately become a cudgel in the hands of Ahmadinejad. Would that outcome advance human rights?

    It’s emotionally unsatisfying not to proclaim unequivocal support for the protesters. But the truer measure of support, as Trita Parsi told me, is to follow their lead. Moussavi, for instance, has not issued any statement about what he wants the international community to do. If the protesters begin calling for a more direct American response, then that really will have to compel the administration to reconsider its position. But until then, with so many lives at stake, the administration can’t afford to take a stance just because it makes Americans feel just and righteous.

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    Re: McCain: Iran Election "Corrupt"

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    The protesters are nuisances to Obama's plans and he's telling not only Iran that but the protesters as well.
    No. Instead of charging ahead, by the seat of his pants, he is waiting for the people of Iran to clearly express what they want from the outside world. What they've said, so far, that they want is this:

    Don't stop watching. Don't forget about our struggle. Make sure the world sees it.

    That's all that they've asked for at this point in time.

    You're about as subtle as a hand grenade.

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    Re: McCain: Iran Election "Corrupt"

    That's hilarious.

    The US Gov't is one of the most corrupt governing bodies in the world!!

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    Re: McCain: Iran Election "Corrupt"

    guess who is praising Obama’s approach and saying Obama’s right to refrain from McCainian chest-thumping: George W. Bush’s top negotiator with Iran, Ambassador Nicholas Burns.

    In an interview today with NPR, Burns praised Obama’s handling of the crisis, and said that a more aggressive response would actually play into the hands of President Ahmadinejad.

    President Ahmadinejad would like nothing better than to see a very aggressive series of statements by the United States that would try to put the U.S. in the center of this,” Burns said. “And I think President Obama is avoiding that quite rightly.”

    “This is not a dispute for the U.S. to be the center of,” Burns said at another point. “It’s up to Iranians to decide who Iran’s future leaders will be. He said he respects Iran’s sovereignty. I think it was important to do that.”
    Bush’s Man In Iran Lauds Obama’s Handling Of Iran Crisis | The Plum Line

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    Re: McCain: Iran Election "Corrupt"

    When the BBC can't figure out where he stands he stands on nothing.


    Obama does nothing but aggrandize himself at the expense of others.
    This case its Democracy/Freedom/US Principles
    In Iraq its our Soldiers/Allies/Civilians
    In the "WORLD" its the USA.


    If the "leaders" call for US support the US will not be there..its too busy powdering its babies butt for the cameras.


    Obama made clear that official US policy is to talk talk talk just like he wants and nothing else.
    He blew air in his comments and offically pushed for talks while the protester situation is in flux.

    Whats more important to him catz..the potential to support an Iranians coup..OR his picture in papers talking to Iran?
    Which one is it?...based on the evidence its the later.

    Least some of the media is finally starting to call BS BS. Or at least as with the BBC(of all places) not covering him in flowers but pointing out that he said nothing.



    Anyway..

    SO Kandahar..when?
    Last edited by Triad; 06-16-09 at 03:11 PM.

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    Re: McCain: Iran Election "Corrupt"

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    When the BBC can't figure out where he stands he stands on nothing.

    Obama does nothing but aggrandize himself at the expense of others.

    This case its Democracy/Freedom/US Principles
    In Iraq its our Soldiers/Allies/Civilians

    In the "WORLD" its the USA.

    If the leaders cal for US support the US will not be there..its too busy powdering its babies butt for the cameras.


    Obama made clear that official US policy is to talk talk talk just like he wants and nothing else.
    He blew air in his comments and offically pushed for talks while the protester situation is in flux.

    Whats more important to him catz..the potential to support an Iranians coup..OR his picture in papers talking to Iran?
    Which one is it?...based on the evidence its the later.

    Least some of the media is finally starting to call BS BS. Or at least as with the BBC(of all places) not covering him in flowers but pointing out that he said nothing.
    Bush's former ambassador to Iran made it very clear that now is not the time for Obama to "do something" other than what he's done.

    I'm sorry you're unhappy that Obama isn't the president, but this isn't a partisan issue. He's played it right on this one...so far.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 06-16-09 at 03:16 PM.

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    Re: McCain: Iran Election "Corrupt"

    Mr. Obama added: “When I see violence directed at peaceful protesters, when I see peaceful dissent being suppressed, wherever that takes place, it is of concern to me and it is of concern to the American people. That is not how governments should interact with their people.”

    Mr. Obama also said that “something has happened in Iran,” leading to “a questioning of the kinds of antagonistic postures towards the international community that have taken place in the past. That there are people who want to see greater openness and greater debate and want to see greater democracy. How that plays out over the next several days and several weeks is something for the Iranian people to decide.”
    From Obama's press conference today with South Korean president Lee Myung-bak.

    He's doing it right.

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