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    America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Senior aides to President Barack Obama accompanied four Uighur prisoners as they were flown from Guantanamo Bay to the British colony of Bermuda, without the UK being informed, it was revealed yesterday.

    In an escalating diplomatic row over the transfer of the former terrorist suspects, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton discussed the transfer with British Foreign Secretary David Miliband in what was said to be an uneasy conversation. Privately Whitehall officials accused America of treating Britain, with whom it is supposed to have a "special relationship", with barely disguised contempt.

    One senior official said: "The Americans were fully aware of the foreign-policy understanding we have with Bermuda and they deliberately chose to ignore it. This is not the kind of behaviour one expects from an ally."
    America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain - Americas, World - The Independent

    Let's see...

    Bush was slammed for "Angering" all our allies with his "My way or the highway" talk.

    Obama get's praised for "reaching out" to our enemies... while pissing all over our allies.

    Gotta love it.
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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain - Americas, World - The Independent

    Let's see...

    Bush was slammed for "Angering" all our allies with his "My way or the highway" talk.

    Obama get's praised for "reaching out" to our enemies... while pissing all over our allies.

    Gotta love it.
    I hope this fascination to attack and exaggerate any and all things Obama isn't one of those "he hits you because he likes you". You can admit it if it is. We won't judge.
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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I hope this fascination to attack any and all things Obama isn't one of those "he hits you because he likes you".
    He's not attacking Dear Leader (much). It's much more a criticism of his fawning followers who betray a disgusting double standard by not calling him on the hypocrisy of his actions.

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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    He's not attacking Dear Leader (much). It's much more a criticism of his fawning followers who betray a disgusting double standard by not calling him on the hypocrisy of his actions.

    One does not repair broken relationships by sliding a fresh knife between the ribs.
    Yet the fact that you all make consistent on hit posts attacking Obama and so called "fawning followers" but in the past attacked people that did this same thing to Bush isn't hypocritical?

    Why not start an actual debate on policy and decisions and what Obama should have done that he didn't? I have tried now, unsuccessfully, three times to get American and MrVicchio's to extend their posts past "Obama sucks" and actually have a discussion on what they feel Obama did wrong and what he should have done instead. It leaves me to believe you actually don't want to discuss anything but just make pointless attacks.
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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I hope this fascination to attack and exaggerate any and all things Obama isn't one of those "he hits you because he likes you". You can admit it if it is. We won't judge.
    Hey, Obama has three times now treated the UK like ****. It's no longer a trend, it's a way of business. You guys want to focus on my "attacking" the Big O, well... then that's your problem and shows the rest of the posters what concerns you more. Not policy, but image.
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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain - Americas, World - The Independent

    Let's see...

    Bush was slammed for "Angering" all our allies with his "My way or the highway" talk.

    Obama get's praised for "reaching out" to our enemies... while pissing all over our allies.

    Gotta love it.
    They are "former terrorist suspects" because they were judged to be innocent...by the Bush administration. What is your problem with releasing innocent people?

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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Hey, Obama has three times now treated the UK like ****. It's no longer a trend, it's a way of business. You guys want to focus on my "attacking" the Big O, well... then that's your problem and shows the rest of the posters what concerns you more. Not policy, but image.
    And if Obama did nothing but appease the UK you would attack him for pandering to other nations. What exactly could Obama have done that you would approve of other then leave office?
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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Hey, Obama has three times now treated the UK like ****. It's no longer a trend, it's a way of business. You guys want to focus on my "attacking" the Big O, well... then that's your problem and shows the rest of the posters what concerns you more. Not policy, but image.
    3 times?

    Yes this is a snub against the UK, but it is also part of a somewhat consistent with US policy for the last 5+ decades.
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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Yet the fact that you all make consistent on hit posts attacking Obama and so called "fawning followers" but in the past attacked people that did this same thing to Bush isn't hypocritical?
    No it is not.

    I'll keep it simple for you: if it was so wrong under Bush (thus the justifications for his continued vilification), it should be wrong under Dear Leader. The silence of Dear Leader's disciples regarding Dear Leader perpetuating those aspects of the Bush Administration most publicly reviled and pledged by Dear Leader to undo is a fair question.

    If Dear Leader's aura is all it takes to make the wrong things right, then Dear Leader's disciples can just stop pretending there is no cult of personality surrounding Dear Leader.

    The facts are unequivocal in this regard: Dear Leader has not stopped renditions, has not pledged to end indefinite detention without trial, has not stopped the military tribunals, and has pledged only to close Gitmo and CIA "black" prisons while leaving Bagram Air Base open for business; Dear Leader has not kept his pledge to draw down troops in Iraq, and will keep a large contingent of forces there into the foreseeable future; everything that earned President Bush the opprobrium of the left, Dear Leader does with impunity.

    You seriously believe there is not a valid question to debate in this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Why not start an actual debate on policy and decisions and what Obama should have done that he didn't? I have tried now, unsuccessfully, three times to get American and MrVicchio's to extend their posts past "Obama sucks" and actually have a discussion on what they feel Obama did wrong and what he should have done instead. It leaves me to believe you actually don't want to discuss anything but just make pointless attacks.
    Well, for starters, ignoring Great Britain's relationship with Bermuda and generally dismissing allies like Great Britain while kow-towing to the likes of Chavez and Ahamenijad is a pretty stupid foreign policy. Why make a show of releasing the Uighers at all? Why not just walk the policy back from the stupidity of promising to close Gitmo? Why not just acknowledge that maybe the Bush Administration was not the completely evil and malevolent force the left wishes it were? Why rely on a strategy of "blame Bush" six months into his own Presidency?

    It pains me to have to agree with Bill Maher about anything (he's such a demented little turd), but he is spot on in his assessment of Dear Leader:

    the "Audacity of Hope" part is over. Right now, I'm hoping for a little more audacity.
    The biggest defect in Dear Leader's policies is his conspicuous absence in them.

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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    They are "former terrorist suspects" because they were judged to be innocent...by the Bush administration. What is your problem with releasing innocent people?
    Nothing....but doing so in a way that steps on a long-time ally's toes is bad diplomacy all around. (You know, all that touchy feely stuff that Dear Leader is supposed to be way better at than President Bush?)

    It must suck for liberals to acknowledge that President Bush was more caring about the concerns of other nations than Dear Leader. Kinda throws that whole "Bush is bad" mantra right out the window, doesn't it?

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