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America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

WillRockwell said:
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As usual, you don't know WTF you're talking about:

Bermuda takes Uighur detainees - World - MiamiHerald.com
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Citizens of colonies of Britain or even in our commonwealth means they have a fast track to get into UK.

And not to mention the most important part of the link you just gave:

But Britain, which handles Bermuda's defense, security and foreign affairs expressed displeasure at the move.
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It'll fall ultimately on Britain not Bermuda responsibility for these, add to that we were not even informed by our "ally" that they were dumping potential terrorists who will be able to get into UK and potentially other British colonies who could off like a bomb at any time is just icing on the cake.

About 500 others have gone to Europe and the Muslim world.
How many has US taken in?
 
Redress said:
You do love to exaggerate. Any evidence that Britain is less of an ally than it was when Obama took office?
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In an escalating diplomatic row over the transfer of the former terrorist suspects, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton discussed the transfer with British Foreign Secretary David Miliband in what was said to be an uneasy conversation. Privately Whitehall officials accused America of treating Britain, with whom it is supposed to have a "special relationship", with barely disguised contempt.
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Exaggerating?
 
Redress said:
Yes. A week from now this will be basically forgotten.
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Are you sure?

Btw, i am as shocked as any of you that Miliband has a backbone o_O
 
Laila said:
Are you sure?

Btw, i am as shocked as any of you that Miliband has a backbone o_O
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Pretty sure, yeah. These things happen from time to time.

Nice new avatar by the way. Who is it?
 
Laila said:
How many has US taken in?
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All of the ones the US hasn't sent away.

That we're keeping them safely in Guantanamo isn't the issue.

That's where people like that belong, when they're not in their rightful place at the bottom of a former hole six feet deep.
 
Redress said:
Just once, actually talk to what is said, and not expanding it into something completely different.

It is a shift, and it was in response to the work President Obama has done. No one claimed it was a huge shift, and to the best of my knowledge, Obama has not made any real comment on it. Your whole response there was desperate spin and building of straw men.
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White House Calls Netanyahu Speech 'Important Step Forward' in Peace Process - Political News - FOXNews.com
"The president welcomes the important step forward in Prime Minister Netanyahu's speech," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said in a written statement. "The president is committed to two states, a Jewish state of Israel and an independent Palestine, in the historic homeland of both peoples. He believes this solution can and must ensure both Israel's security and the fulfillment of the Palestinians' legitimate aspirations for a viable state, and he welcomes Prime Minister Netanyahu's endorsement of that goal."
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President Obama: PM's speech is important step | Israel | Jerusalem Post
Also on Monday, former US president Jimmy Carter, visiting in Israel, said that Binyamin Netanyahu has placed "several obstacles on the road to peace", in response to the prime minister's speech Sunday evening.
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Hamas slams Netanyahu's 'racist, extremist' ideology - Israel News, Ynetnews
Hamas slammed Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's address on the Middle East conflict on Sunday, saying it reflected a "racist and extremist ideology."
"This speech reflects the racist and extremist ideology of Netanyahu and denies all the rights of the Palestinian people," Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhum told AFP. "This speech is the reiteration of the policy of his government, which aims at transforming the Palestinian people into a tool to protect the occupation." (AFP)
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Palestinians angered by Netanyahu peace terms - Yahoo! News
Palestinian disappointment was echoed in capitals across the Arab world, where leaders accused Netanyahu of setting more obstacles in the path of an already stymied peace process.
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Seems like Dear Leader's spin on Netanyahu's speech is at odds with the Palestinians take on it.

Netanyahu's speech is a slight shift, but it hardly impressed the other side. Calling it an "important step forward" is simply nonsensical. The so-called peace process remains as intractable as it has ever been.
 
Redress said:
Pretty sure, yeah. These things happen from time to time.

Nice new avatar by the way. Who is it?
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I don't think so somehow. It seems from my view, there is a slow deterioration of ties between US and UK imho.
Brown seems still bitter about the humilation he faced he got slated in the press

Ty, An Angel like me :p
 
Hilarious, hahaha, Obama screws the Brits.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
That we're keeping them safely in Guantanamo isn't the issue.
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Yes it is.
Then US has not really taken them in.

Good enough to dump them in other countries but must keep the ones no one will take locked up in Cuba.
 
celticlord said:
White House Calls Netanyahu Speech 'Important Step Forward' in Peace Process - Political News - FOXNews.com
President Obama: PM's speech is important step | Israel | Jerusalem Post
Hamas slams Netanyahu's 'racist, extremist' ideology - Israel News, Ynetnews
Palestinians angered by Netanyahu peace terms - Yahoo! News
Seems like Dear Leader's spin on Netanyahu's speech is at odds with the Palestinians take on it.

Netanyahu's speech is a slight shift, but it hardly impressed the other side. Calling it an "important step forward" is simply nonsensical. The so-called peace process remains as intractable as it has ever been.
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I stand corrected on Obama's comments. However, it is a shift, and you can argue it is important since peace is impossible without both sides shifting.
 
Redress said:
Pretty sure, yeah. These things happen from time to time.
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So Great Britain should just "get over it"?

A rather arrogant and presumptuous pose you have there.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
All of the ones the US hasn't sent away.

That we're keeping them safely in Guantanamo isn't the issue.

That's where people like that belong, when they're not in their rightful place at the bottom of a former hole six feet deep.
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So it doesnt bother you that many of them are innocent? Thats a bit twisted:shock: Anyhow Bermuda is pretty much self governing so i cant see how this as huge a deal as its made out to be.
 
celticlord said:
So Great Britain should just "get over it"?
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Its like Britain dumping and letting loose terrorists on American soil without even telling the people who protect the land about it.

The citizens do not seem very happy with their new "neighbours"

'This is a very small country ... and some are saying if the whole world doesn't want these folks, why are we taking them?' Nariang said. The government has 'fumbled the ball on this one.'"
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British government officials are "pissed," according to a senior State Department official, saying they were not adequately consulted.
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Does anyone not think Britain, the country which is in charge of defense in Bermuda had a right to know what will be coming under its protection?


Palau Population, Anecdotally, Less Than Thrilled With Prospect of Uighurs
 
celticlord said:
So Great Britain should just "get over it"?

A rather arrogant and presumptuous pose you have there.
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It goes both ways. I don't think we should sweat petty crap Britain does that might anger us either.
 
Red_Dave said:
So it doesnt bother you that many of them are innocent? Thats a bit twisted:shock: Anyhow Bermuda is pretty much self governing so i cant see how this as huge a deal as its made out to be.
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You need to read the article.

The Uighers have the opportunity to pursue citizenship and the right to resettle anywhere.

If memory serves, Bermuda citizenship would give them automatic entry into the UK (can someone from the UK confirm or correct me on this?).
 
Red_Dave said:
So it doesnt bother you that many of them are innocent? Thats a bit twisted:shock: Anyhow Bermuda is pretty much self governing so i cant see how this as huge a deal as its made out to be.
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Who protects Bermuda? Who funds its defense? :doh
 
Laila said:
Yes it is.
Then US has not really taken them in.
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We're smart enough to not want them, and smart enough to not complain about the nice treatment they've been getting down there. Hanging out on a tropical paradise, getting three squares a day, able to lounge around every day....not a bad life for a caught terrorist, considering they should be making pigs fat by this time.

The rest of the world is all unhappy over this "abusive" treatment, standards many of them can't apply to their own citizens, let alone their prisons, and yet when we graciously offer them the opportunity to show us how it should be done, they've declined.

So, either put your money where your mouth is, or beat it, we don't care.

I mean, you people are even whining about the "innocent" ones we're letting go.
 
celticlord said:
If memory serves, Bermuda citizenship would give them automatic entry into the UK (can someone from the UK confirm or correct me on this?).
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No checks or stops, they can come in and out of UK
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
I mean, you people are even whining about the "innocent" ones we're letting go.
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I'm all happy about taking in innocent ones.

But not when we are not informed.
Not when we have not checked and confirmed it.
Not when we were not bloody well prepared, not able to assess the danger the people may/may not pose on its citizens.
 
Redress said:
It goes both ways. I don't think we should sweat petty crap Britain does that might anger us either.
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What has Britain done?
 
Laila said:
What has Britain done?
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More a general comment. I am sure you all have done something to annoy the government, if just encouraging people to drive on the wrong side of the road.

By the way, driving on what feels the wrong side of the road is worse in a country that likes traffic circles...trust me on that.
 
Laila said:
Not when we were not bloody well prepared, not able to assess the danger the people may/may not pose on its citizens.
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And was this not the precise obstacle that bedeviled Bush as he sought a home for the Uighers?

China will kill them.

No one else wants them.

Some days it sucks to be a terrorist.
 
Redress said:
More a general comment. I am sure you all have done something to annoy the government, if just encouraging people to drive on the wrong side of the road.
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Oh come on!

Redress, you cannot be seriously pushing that line of crap logic.

If you have specific gripes against the UK or Gordon Brown's government, let's hear them. A general "well you've done stuff too" is the kind of mealy-mouthed excuse I would expect from a third grader.

You so do not have your game on here.
 
celticlord said:
Oh come on!

Redress, you cannot be seriously pushing that line of crap logic.

If you have specific gripes against the UK or Gordon Brown's government, let's hear them. A general "well you've done stuff too" is the kind of mealy-mouthed excuse I would expect from a third grader.

You so do not have your game on here.
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I never claimed to have a specific complaint. I made what I intended as a general comment, which is that we(both the US and Britain) should not sweat petty crap, and I certainly do consider this petty crap. Now if you want to address what I actually saying, without trying to expand it, please do.
 
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