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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    This raises the prospect of them getting British citizenship and right to travel (and technically settle) in the UK.
    **** no.
    We're deporting them to US and they can live there, i'm sure we can find them a patch of land to inhabit
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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Nice exagerations
    What part?

    "dismal failure" is spot on.

    He's a pro at apologizing.

    And appeasement doesn't work.

    So where's the exaggeration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You greatly exaggerate the negative reaction to this. I doubt it will have any real effect on our relationship with Britain.
    Yes, Britain will continue to kiss our ass for the foreseeable future. This makes The Messiah's heavy-handed deportation of "innocents" morally justifiable in what way?

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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is a shift. It is the first time(or so the couple articles I saw both claim, I am not an expert) he has endorsed two state.
    It is a slight shift, but it is hardly the tectonic move Dear Leader would like to pretend it is.

    Israel has not been adamantly opposed to a Palestinian state since Oslo. Sharon gave the Palestinians the ultimate recognition by pulling out of the Gaza strip. 58% of the Israeli people support a Palestinian state; they just don't support Palestinians using that state to rain rockets on Israel.

    Netanyahu's conditions attached to his support make one thing clear. He wants Israel secure--which has been his focus all along.

    Only in the Middle East and in the minds of Palestinian apologists should a desire for security be construed as blatant hostility.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Axis of evil? Jumped onto one side or the other on the election? There were definite bad options there, he did not take them.
    How? He'd already extended the olive branch to Ahamenijad. If he backed Mousavi, he'd be interfering in an internal electoral issue and thus give everything Ahamenijad rails on against the US the ring of truth. If he backed Ahamenijad he'd be endorsing a highly suspicious and potentially rigged election that went against the will of the Iranian people--which would make his Cairo speech a lie from start to finish.

    The axis of evil bit is non-sequitur in this particular discussion, especially since Mousavi was not likely to stop Iran's nuclear program.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You greatly exaggerate the negative reaction to this. I doubt it will have any real effect on our relationship with Britain.
    On its own, it won't have dramatic effect. However, a string of negligences and casual dismissals is on balance more devastating than a single slap in the face. Dear Leader's treatment of Great Britain has been hamhanded and clumsy from the get go, and the Bermuda solution merely furthers that string of mistakes.

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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You mean outside of not informing our alleged "ally" that they're being sent to their island? And they can't be too innocent, given the fact that the UK is steamed over the incident.
    As usual, you don't know WTF you're talking about:

    Bermuda Premier Ewart Brown said the men will be allowed to live in Bermuda, a British territory in the Atlantic, initially as refugees. They would be permitted to pursue citizenship and would have the right to work, travel and ``potentially settle elsewhere.''
    Bermuda takes Uighur detainees - World - MiamiHerald.com

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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    It is a slight shift, but it is hardly the tectonic move Dear Leader would like to pretend it is.

    Israel has not been adamantly opposed to a Palestinian state since Oslo. Sharon gave the Palestinians the ultimate recognition by pulling out of the Gaza strip. 58% of the Israeli people support a Palestinian state; they just don't support Palestinians using that state to rain rockets on Israel.

    Netanyahu's conditions attached to his support make one thing clear. He wants Israel secure--which has been his focus all along.

    Only in the Middle East and in the minds of Palestinian apologists should a desire for security be construed as blatant hostility.
    Just once, actually talk to what is said, and not expanding it into something completely different.

    It is a shift, and it was in response to the work President Obama has done. No one claimed it was a huge shift, and to the best of my knowledge, Obama has not made any real comment on it. Your whole response there was desperate spin and building of straw men.


    How? He'd already extended the olive branch to Ahamenijad. If he backed Mousavi, he'd be interfering in an internal electoral issue and thus give everything Ahamenijad rails on against the US the ring of truth. If he backed Ahamenijad he'd be endorsing a highly suspicious and potentially rigged election that went against the will of the Iranian people--which would make his Cairo speech a lie from start to finish.

    The axis of evil bit is non-sequitur in this particular discussion, especially since Mousavi was not likely to stop Iran's nuclear program.
    Sometimes the right thing to do is nothing, and that is about what Obama has done. He did make clear that the correct result of the election is important, which should hopefully play well with the large number of people who voted over there.



    On its own, it won't have dramatic effect. However, a string of negligences and casual dismissals is on balance more devastating than a single slap in the face. Dear Leader's treatment of Great Britain has been hamhanded and clumsy from the get go, and the Bermuda solution merely furthers that string of mistakes.
    You do love to exaggerate. Any evidence that Britain is less of an ally than it was when Obama took office?

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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    As usual, you don't know WTF you're talking about:

    Bermuda takes Uighur detainees - World - MiamiHerald.com
    Citizens of colonies of Britain or even in our commonwealth means they have a fast track to get into UK.

    And not to mention the most important part of the link you just gave:

    But Britain, which handles Bermuda's defense, security and foreign affairs expressed displeasure at the move.
    It'll fall ultimately on Britain not Bermuda responsibility for these, add to that we were not even informed by our "ally" that they were dumping potential terrorists who will be able to get into UK and potentially other British colonies who could off like a bomb at any time is just icing on the cake.

    About 500 others have gone to Europe and the Muslim world.
    How many has US taken in?


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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You do love to exaggerate. Any evidence that Britain is less of an ally than it was when Obama took office?
    In an escalating diplomatic row over the transfer of the former terrorist suspects, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton discussed the transfer with British Foreign Secretary David Miliband in what was said to be an uneasy conversation. Privately Whitehall officials accused America of treating Britain, with whom it is supposed to have a "special relationship", with barely disguised contempt.
    Exaggerating?

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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Exaggerating?
    Yes. A week from now this will be basically forgotten.

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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes. A week from now this will be basically forgotten.
    Are you sure?

    Btw, i am as shocked as any of you that Miliband has a backbone o.O


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    Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Are you sure?

    Btw, i am as shocked as any of you that Miliband has a backbone o.O
    Pretty sure, yeah. These things happen from time to time.

    Nice new avatar by the way. Who is it?

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