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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I can think of much more important rights to fight for.
    Probably you can't.

    The freedom to think and the freedom to express those thoughts and the freedom to associate with whom you like and to not be forced to associate with those you don't are some of the most basic, most essential freedoms in the whole of human existance.


    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    It clearly is an issue. It's number one on your list of rights.
    The United States has eliminated racism as a matter of concern for public policy.

    The US has...

    ...elected an African foreign national mulatto to the Presidency,
    ...had black Secretaries of State,
    ...black Senators,
    ...black Congressthings,
    ...black Supreme Court Justices, even though the Democrats fought the last one bitterly,
    ...black Attorney General, a tax cheat, even. But he is a personal racist and won't prosecute black thugs blocking access to whiteys trying to vote...
    ...black CEO's,
    ...black lawyers,
    ...black cats,

    and we even have the occasional black dog or two, too.

    Nope, clearly racism isn't a problem in the US, and who gives a flying **** what the UN has to say about the matter?

    How many nations in the UN have selected leaders who are of a different nationality and race than the dominant majority of that nation? Certainly not a single white saltine cracker cracker nation in Europe can make that claim, so who are they to speak to us on matters of race? Should we heed the Japanese? How about the Rwandans, hmmmm?

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    The mere fact that we must enumerate the ways that black people have succeeded in this country is proof that some aspect of racism remains. Yes, we have come a long way, but no we are not done.
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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    The mere fact that we must enumerate the ways that black people have succeeded in this country is proof that some aspect of racism remains. Yes, we have come a long way, but no we are not done.
    No, it means that people think that a lack of racism will create equality. They don't realize that it takes more than equal opportunity to create equality. In a free system, you need equal production.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    No, it means that people think that a lack of racism will create equality. They don't realize that it takes more than equal opportunity to create equality. In a free system, you need equal production.
    Equal production is Communism. What we should be striving for is equal opportuinity in that everyone has the same chance to succeed. Not everyone produces equally, even among white people. You cannot have everyone having the exact same salary, grades, or life, but you can ensure that everyone has the same chance to succeed. That is equality, and racism stands in the way of that.
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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No. We are talking about a piece of paper that states certain extraordinary conditions to become a member. Remove those conditions and there is no problem. They are still allowed to believe whatever they want, and accept or deny whoever they want. If a black guy is stupid enough to ask for a membership then it is in their right to deny it.

    We do not allow in Europe that ads for work state that you want a certain type of person based on sex, religion or what not. It is illegal for example to advertise for a female nurse. That you will only accept a female nurse is up to you but in advertising for the job you are not allowed to discriminate. This also goes for race and religion and other factors. But when it comes to who gets an interview and who gets the job, then it is 100% up to you and you can be as much racist, anti-semitic and xenophobic as you want in finding your new employee.
    That's fine for private business, but political discourse must remain totally free. Association, assembly, speech. If a group wishes not to associate with someone else, then they shouldn't be forced to associate with said person; or vice versa.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No one is forcing them to curtail their political beliefs. Everyone knows the BNP is a racist neo nazi organisation and would remain so if it did not have that sentence in its constitution.

    And I wish people on the right would stop using the PC slur at every turn something suddenly does not agree with them.. it is getting old. It has nothing to do with political correctness but about human decency. We fought the nazi's, abandoned slavery and freed women and suddenly it is "PC" to have rules that cements those positions in our laws and society? give me a break.
    Well when it's PC BS, then it's PC BS and that's all there is to it. There's no other reason to infringe upon assembly and association except PC BS. This is 100% PC BS. It's not about human decency, it's about infringing upon the innate and inalienable rights of a group of people because you don't like the way they choose to associate. That's it. You can whine and cry all you want, but reality is as it is. This is PC BS spurred by people who think we all need to be "progressive" or whatever word they use to me "agree with me 100%" and to crap on people who exercise their rights in a way they don't like. I know the ilk, got a city full of them; it's called Boulder.
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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    The mere fact that we must enumerate the ways that black people have succeeded in this country is proof that some aspect of racism remains. Yes, we have come a long way, but no we are not done.
    "Must"?

    I wasn't required to list a goddamned thing.

    However, when teaching to the ignorant, lists are an important tool.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    "Must"?

    I wasn't required to list a goddamned thing.

    However, when teaching to the ignorant, lists are an important tool.
    Fine Scarecrow. The fact that we do enumerate the many things black people have done and that it is so easy for us to pick out their accomplishments is a sign that it is not as common place or normal as I would hop it is. I am not saying that we need to give every single black person a Cabinet position, I am saying that the opportuinities for black people, especially in our school system, are not equal to the opportuinities of white people.
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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    Equal production is Communism. What we should be striving for is equal opportuinity in that everyone has the same chance to succeed. Not everyone produces equally, even among white people. You cannot have everyone having the exact same salary, grades, or life, but you can ensure that everyone has the same chance to succeed. That is equality, and racism stands in the way of that.
    But we have equality of opportunity. Look at the statistics. You'll see that the most elusive factor that affects pay is racism. When you account for everything correctly, wages are pretty much even.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But we have equality of opportunity. Look at the statistics. You'll see that the most elusive factor that affects pay is racism. When you account for everything correctly, wages are pretty much even.
    No we do not. Your pay statistic is accurate. Once a black person is hired they are paid the same, but the opportuinity to obtain the education necessary to achieve said job is not there. To this day, schools in black neighborhoods are not as good as schools in white neighborhoods.
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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    What we should be striving for is equal opportuinity in that everyone has the same chance to succeed.
    We've already got that.

    Naturally, some people don't succeed.

    Life's a bitch, and all that.


    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    Not everyone produces equally, even among white people.


    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    You cannot have everyone having the exact same salary, grades, or life, but you can ensure that everyone has the same chance to succeed. That is equality, and racism stands in the way of that.
    Equality is saying, "yo, homey, we put you in a school, you dropped out, or you slacked off, or you're dumb as a box of rocks, and you did what you could. What you do from here is your business, your concern, not ours, unless you commit acts of violence, fraud, or otherwise harm others. So, you're equal, get your butts out there and do something with it. Or don't, if you don't want to."

    That's equality of opportunity.

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