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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I can understand from this that you also support hate speech then, right Laila?
    To an extent yes but the law in UK has legislated against hate speech


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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The BNP should not be banned. People need to see what kind of assholes they are.
    Exactly.

    Its the main parties fault BNP got in.

    Thats right, i said it. I blame Lib Dems, and especially Labour and Conservative. All hush hush on immigration, brush it under the carpet. Pretend the issue with EU does not exist. Idiots.


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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    The other night on Question Time, a weekly political program, someone said he had a list of the No of BNP members who had criminal convictions and it took 2 pages of A4 to fit them all in.
    I know right?

    Did you see The Big Questions, it was so true what was being said.


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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, actually, it doesn't.
    Actually yes, it does.
    You either allow the people the freedom to choose, or you deny them that freedom.

    There's no middle ground.
    Freedom is a relative term, of course there is a middle ground.
    You have the freedom of movement, but you can't move through/into restricted areas.
    You should spend some time in a corner thinking about this. You're saying the majority has the right to stifle the minority.
    It has nothing to do with majority and minority.
    Democracy can in fact prevent parties with extreme ideas that oppose democracy in a clear and obvious way from partaking in the elections.
    Do you honestly believe that if Hitler came back to life and re-organized his National-Socialist party in Germany, and assuming it wins the elections, the state of Germany would just accept it with an open arms?
    Really?
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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Democracy can in fact prevent parties with extreme ideas that oppose democracy in a clear and obvious way from partaking in the elections.
    NOt if it hopes to remain a democracy, it can't.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    To an extent yes but the law in UK has legislated against hate speech
    Then why didn't it ban the BNP?
    Isn't it the same thing?
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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Then why didn't it ban the BNP?
    Isn't it the same thing?
    Their leader has a conviction for incitement to hate but these are laws for doing the incitement. They only do that in private now.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    NOt if it hopes to remain a democracy, it can't.
    So I take it as a statement from you that a country that banned a party from partaking in the election is no longer a democracy, yes?
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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Their leader has a conviction for incitement to hate but these are laws for doing the incitement. They only do that in private now.
    Right, so they have broken no law


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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Right, so they have broken no law
    I would have thought they have but it would need to be looked into. There is a difference between a member doing it privately through the hate law which would probably be a private conviction and something which is in their constitution.

    I would have thought the fact that they say they will not employ anyone black would go against laws on racial discrimination for work - and gasp, they certainly would not employ a Muslim - again discrimination laws.

    I am sure the one about black people is in their charter or constitution so it should be possible to sue them for that.

    Ahhhhh! I understand. This would just result in a conviction. Harriot Harman has decided she wants to ban them. Got it.


    so should parties be allowed to stand whose constitution goes against our laws?
    Last edited by alexa; 06-15-09 at 02:17 PM.

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