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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I can understand from this that you also support hate speech then, right Laila?
    Many of us support "hate speech" if by supporting the right of idiotic racists to speak, we also support the right of free people, EVERYWHERE, to speak. It's part and parcel. You can't curtail someone else's free speech without endangering your own.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Making them admit non-whites does nothing. It won't prevent them from being racist, it won't change their minds on things. It'll just give them fuel for their hatred if anything.

    So by making them change the stated rules, the same racists will be in power, but they'll just be a smidgen less openly racist than before. Why make them hide their ignorance?

    I agree.

    They already allow the odd Jew and Indian in

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I would feel happier if it were done under existing laws - which would of course beg the question why they were allowed to stand.
    Because in free countries people are allowed to make their own clubs with their own membership rules and to hire the people they want to hire and to not hire the people they don't want to hire.

    This is a basic human freedom.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    No party should ever be banned unless it breaks our laws, and even then it should be a last resort.
    Living in a democracy and accepting it means you should also accept those you disagree with. No Government should ever have the ability to ban parties, such a thing inevitably leads aways from democracy
    very true. I was thinking the same myself.

    I also think that it would take no time at all for the BNP to be found breaking some of our laws - whether that matters as they are off to Europe I do not know.

    You don't get elected to Parliament with the kind of share of the vote they had.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Real democracy has the right to defend itself from elements that might lead to anti-democratic policies.
    No, actually, it doesn't.

    You either allow the people the freedom to choose, or you deny them that freedom.

    There's no middle ground.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    If there's a party that doesn't support one of the major values of democracy, you ban it from partaking in the elections.
    You should spend some time in a corner thinking about this. You're saying the majority has the right to stifle the minority.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    BNP faces challenge in equality legislation





    This is not good. Not good at all.
    Is it only me having a bad feeling about this ...
    The BNP should not be banned. People need to see what kind of assholes they are.
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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian-bloke View Post
    the BNP have an history of law breaking and acts of terrorism by thier members and leaders
    No.

    MEMBERS of the BNP may have a history of criminality and terrorism, for which they should be prosecuted.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Because in free countries people are allowed to make their own clubs with their own membership rules and to hire the people they want to hire and to not hire the people they don't want to hire.

    This is a basic human freedom.
    Well, I'm not sure that it is as straighforward as that.

    I can remember years ago, women picketing Men's clubs so that they would allow women in.

    We also have laws about employment rights. Here is the link I put in before.

    "A black or Jewish candidate who applied and didn't get the job on grounds of their racial or religious background would have a claim in the employment tribunal," Millar said.

    "If an individual challenges and they maintain a practice not employing any visible minority people, there is no doubt that like any employer who has such practices, they can be sued," said employment barrister and chair of the Society of Black Lawyers, Peter Herbert. "When they are in receipt of public funds they will have to be an equal opportunities employer. To do otherwise would be incompatible with public office.

    "I can see the equality commission mounting an inquiry into how the BNP operate now. The office of public standards could also inquire."

    The questions came as BNP leader Nick Griffin was pelted with eggs at an event in Manchester. Griffin picked up a seat in the north-west of England and Andrew Brons won a seat in Yorkshire and the Humber, a breakthrough in national elections for the far-right party.
    BNP poll win brings cash and staff ? and legal challenges over racism | Politics | The Guardian

    We do have laws which protect people against discrimination.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Cant stand this attitude from labour o no the BNP have had two meps voted democratically in lets pass a law to ban them. Whilst i dont agree with the BNP in anyway its stupid to fight undemocrat ideas with undemocratic ideas.Just give them enough rope and they will hang themselves.

    If anything needs changing Its the stupid PR system which means people can get seats with 8 % of the vote.
    The third-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the majority. The second-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the minority. The first-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No.

    MEMBERS of the BNP may have a history of criminality and terrorism, for which they should be prosecuted.
    The other night on Question Time, a weekly political program, someone said he had a list of the No of BNP members who had criminal convictions and it took 2 pages of A4 to fit them all in.

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