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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes. It's a sign of a problem.

    The problem is the kids don't study.

    What laws should the federal government pass to make black kids study more?

    Are you aware that even black kids have parents somewhere? Usually they even know the names of both them, though not always. Guess who's responsible for making sure kid's study. Is it The Messiah's responsibility? Congress's? The National Education Association? The teachers? Or the parents?
    Agreed. Finally, a statement I can agree with. The parents DO need to do more. All I am saying is that the schools should provide an equal OPPORTUINITY for education. I know that the school isn't the entire problem, but most schools in the "hood" are old, and damaged. Most of them can't afford to have extracurricular activities that would keep the kids off the streets aside from basketball. I agree that the parents aren't putting enough stress on the kids and that the government can't replace good parents. The government can; however, invest in trying to provide facilities and hire faculty that interest the kids in education. And, I also agree that teachers unions are a major part of the problem here with their insistance on tenure and such. So what can the government do you ask?
    1. Elliminate Teachers' Unions
    2. National Standardized Graduation Tests, so that states can't cheat by making their tests easier in order to meet National standards.
    3. Give out vouchers so that parents can send their kids to better schools
    4. Eliminate Welfare for families with parents who are capable of work to eliminate the fall-back for kids who don't succeed.
    5. Launch a national campaign to promote education.
    There, not all of those suggestions will be to your liking I know. But I at least hope you can appreciate some of them.
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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    Agreed. Finally, a statement I can agree with. The parents DO need to do more. All I am saying is that the schools should provide an equal OPPORTUINITY for education.
    The Rapist President sent his cocker-spaniel of a daughter to Sidwell Friends a private school. What legislation is going to eliminate the option of the wealthy to send their kids to private schools, or what legislation is going to allocate the funds for public schools to match the opportunities the Rapist President could buy?

    Hmmmm?

    What standarrds are going to be written and established, after approval of the teachers unions, that provides for teachers of the highest standards all across America that match the best private schools?

    Hmmmm?

    The fact is, the little darlings HAVE equality of opportunity. The days when the Democrats could hold the blacks down with Jim Crow and Separate But Equal are gone. The only thing holding blacks down from economic equality is themselves. Those that apply themselves and work as hard at improving themselves as white people do....do as well as white people. Ergo, racism isn't the issue.


    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    1. Elliminate Teachers' Unions
    Sorry. All workers, by the Freedom of Association guaranteed in the First Amendment, can form unions. School boards and school management need to be disinfected, but if a teacher wishes to join a union, there's nothing in the constitution that can prevent him. Nor should their be.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    2. National Standardized Graduation Tests,
    so that states can't cheat by making their tests easier in order to meet National standards.
    Well....since the Federal Government has no constitutional authority to finance public education, the Federal government also does not have constitutional authority to establish national standards.

    Welcome to the federalist experiment called The United States of America.

    States have to establish their own internal standards, and they can compete with each other to have the toughest or easiest ones around, their sovereign choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    3. Give out vouchers so that parents can send their kids to better schools
    See the above post, where it was pointed out, correctly, that the federal government has no Constitutional authority to finance public education.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    4. Eliminate Welfare for families with parents who are capable of work to eliminate the fall-back for kids who don't succeed.
    Here, let me fix that for you:

    4. Eliminate Welfare.

    There, all better now. Guess what? Welfare doesn't have Constitutional standing, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    5. Launch a national campaign to promote education.
    Why? What's it going to say? "Stupid people don't get jobs?" Or "You stupid? It's your fault!"? or "A mind is a terrible thing to waste." (Oops, that one's copyrighted already.

    Again....no Constitutional authority for national ad campaigns.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    There, not all of those suggestions will be to your liking I know. But I at least hope you can appreciate some of them.
    I pointed out their flaws for ya.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    ...sent his cocker-spaniel of a daughter to Sidwell Friends a private school.
    Not appropriate. Show some class.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Not appropriate. Show some class.
    Since, I know Scarecrow will not, I will appologize for his sensless attack on a girl who never did anything to anyone. To Chelsea Clinton, I am sorry with all my heart that you must take this kind of unwarranted abuse, simply because your father is a public figure.

    To Scarecrow:
    You would have been upset if people didn't show Bush and family respect. So would I, and was I when liberals continually disrespected Bush. It is hypocritical to say so and then disrespect Former President Clinton and his family. It is possible to be critical and civil at the same time. In fact, it is called debating.
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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    The mere fact that we must enumerate the ways that black people have succeeded in this country is proof that some aspect of racism remains. Yes, we have come a long way, but no we are not done.

    Don't you mean "black people" are not done?

    Or is it our job to vault them into positions based upon the color of the skin, and not their competence and skill?

    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    Equal production is Communism. What we should be striving for is equal opportuinity in that everyone has the same chance to succeed. Not everyone produces equally, even among white people. You cannot have everyone having the exact same salary, grades, or life, but you can ensure that everyone has the same chance to succeed. That is equality, and racism stands in the way of that.
    We have a black president.... racism cannot stand in the way of everyone having an equal opportunity to succeed if the head of our nation is a black man who has succeeded.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    No we do not. Your pay statistic is accurate. Once a black person is hired they are paid the same, but the opportuinity to obtain the education necessary to achieve said job is not there. To this day, schools in black neighborhoods are not as good as schools in white neighborhoods.
    Who created these "black neighborhoods"?

    And why do I see blacks and whites living in neighborhoods together in the 20th (i know not that high of a number) largest city in the US?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catman View Post
    I don't find much difference between race and gender bias. Do the posters here throw a hissy fit when our own Sect'y of State makes nice nice with countries that curtail the rights of women?


    What is the alternative?? It is nice to always stand on principle, but sometimes one must be realistic about the situations they are faced with. It is not reasonable to ignore and/or alienate an entire region, even if you find some of their practices immoral and wrong!!


    As far as the OP is concerned, I think it is insane to attempt to ban any political party no matter how offensive it's views. A country is then no longer a democracy.
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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    Most of those families don't want to live in the "hood" as you so elequently put it. They cannot afford to move, because they cannot get a job that pays well enough, because they never got the education to allow them too and their children are getting ready to be placed in the same situation. White people are not intentionally doing this true, but it is still an inequality between the races. One that the school systems could fix if they had the money and political support.
    your going to blame schools for the lack of moral upbringing from the majority of those who live in the inner city?

    If parents got involved in their children's lives, the thug pieces of **** wouldn't be nearly as prevalent and wouldn't cause disruptions in class keeping teachers from doing their jobs. And the kids would actually work on their schooling.

    The problem isn't the schools abandoning the kids, its their parents.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    Why must you always take the words of anyone who argues with you and twist them? I did not say EVERY black man who didn't succeed could lay fault at the government's door, but the fact that a large number of kids don't is a sign of a problem. We can provide an equal opportuinity for education, which we are not. If after the schools are equal, the kid doesn't succeed then yes I fully agree with you, it is there own fault. But not before.
    You remember the true life stories like that of "Coach Carter" and similar stories?

    Why is it that a positive basketball coach who acted as a parent to the players suddenly made their schools not so ****ty and they were able to make the grade and several of them got into college?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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