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    NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    And it looks like New York has performed other gay marriages without knowing it.

    The Post notes that one half of the blissfully married duo arrived for their wedding ceremony in a dress, which was perhaps enough to fool city officials.
    But what are government officials going to do? Demand to look up the bride's wedding dress each time they grant a marriage license? I would say that would be going too far, as a person's privates are his or her own damn business.

    You know, the question and answer I just posed makes makes a case for marriage too - None of the Government's damn business. As for myself, I don't understand why some people are gay, but I am straight, so I will probably never understand. But I do wish the couple a long and happy life together. In the end, that is the whole point of marriage.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And it looks like New York has performed other gay marriages without knowing it.



    But what are government officials going to do? Demand to look up the bride's wedding dress each time they grant a marriage license? I would say that would be going too far, as a person's privates are his or her own damn business.

    You know, the question and answer I just posed makes makes a case for marriage too - None of the Government's damn business. As for myself, I don't understand why some people are gay, but I am straight, so I will probably never understand. But I do wish the couple a long and happy life together. In the end, that is the whole point of marriage.

    Article is here.
    The government should not be performing any marriages in the first place.
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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    The government should not be performing any marriages in the first place.
    Damn straight. But Social Cons feel that it is the government's job to enforce social norms. Like I said, Social Conservatism often contridicts fiscal and governmental conservatism.
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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Damn straight. But Social Cons feel that it is the government's job to enforce social norms. Like I said, Social Conservatism often contridicts fiscal and governmental conservatism.
    How do you figure? Liberals and conservatives want it. Libertarians are the only people who are saying that the government should have no say. Liberals are pushing even harder than conservatives about the issue. Don't act so blameless.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    How do you figure? Liberals and conservatives want it. Libertarians are the only people who are saying that the government should have no say. Liberals are pushing even harder than conservatives about the issue. Don't act so blameless.
    Perhaps obvious Child is a libertarian liberal?

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    The government should not be performing any marriages in the first place.
    The genie is sorta out of the lamp on this one. What do you think the odds are of government no longer performing marriages? As likelihoods go, this is right up there with the dissolution of the IRS and international treaties.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And it looks like New York has performed other gay marriages without knowing it.

    But what are government officials going to do? Demand to look up the bride's wedding dress each time they grant a marriage license? I would say that would be going too far, as a person's privates are his or her own damn business.

    You know, the question and answer I just posed makes makes a case for marriage too - None of the Government's damn business. As for myself, I don't understand why some people are gay, but I am straight, so I will probably never understand. But I do wish the couple a long and happy life together. In the end, that is the whole point of marriage.

    Article is here.
    Are the BN rules written in bible code or something? wtf?

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    This is fraud. At best the state will annul the marriage, at worst they'll press charges.

    I hope they press charges.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The genie is sorta out of the lamp on this one. What do you think the odds are of government no longer performing marriages? As likelihoods go, this is right up there with the dissolution of the IRS and international treaties.
    I only stated my opinion: That the government should not perform any marriages.
    My reasoning is firstly, that marriage was originally and is still in many cases a religous institution, which would seem to get into the whole seperation of church and state issue.

    And, secondly, that removing government from marriage would eliminate much of the argument over it. No laws regarding it would mean no political debate. Let the various religions decide internally if they want to allow gay marriage. It's a religious question anyway. Or should be, and would be, if the financial element (tax reductions for a married couple?) were not involved.

    Personally, I think government involvement should be in the form of a legal agreement only, not a legal agreement with religious overtones.

    But, that is just me ranting.

    Regarding your question as to what I think the odds are of this happening?

    Very little.

    After all, it's a great topic to get elected with (from either side).
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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    How do you figure?
    Tell me, are the Social Cons arguing for government to get out of marriage and stop regulating social norms?

    No.

    Where do you find laws dictating what individuals can do in the privacy of their homes? States with strong socially conservative voting blocs. Laws banning sodomy are not found in the Pacific Northwest. And generally laws banning cohabitation are all but laughed at when it comes to prosecution on the West Coast.

    Social Conservatism clashes with a belief for smaller government as social conservatism pushes its agenda.

    Liberals and conservatives want it. Libertarians are the only people who are saying that the government should have no say. Liberals are pushing even harder than conservatives about the issue. Don't act so blameless.
    I'd say liberals want it because they don't have a problem with big government, nor do they hide that fact.

    And in some ways, they are a bit more realistic then those (including me) who argue for removal of government from marriage. That's not likely to happen. Ever. Even though it should. Thus, they push for it through government. In a way, it's like voting for the one party system because you know third parties have no chance even if you hate the system. No government in marriage is the ideal, but the ideal is unlikely to occur. Thus, they go with what is actually possible.

    How does one determine the level of pushing? Social Cons (and I say social because they are fundamentally different from the other flavors of Conservatism), wanted to change the Constitution.
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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The genie is sorta out of the lamp on this one. What do you think the odds are of government no longer performing marriages? As likelihoods go, this is right up there with the dissolution of the IRS and international treaties.
    Just because it's unlikely doesn't mean we can't dream. I agree with you that isn't not going to happen, at least any time soon. Both parties in America are solidly pro-more government whether they want to admit it or not. Getting out of marriage is like defunding the Pentagon. It's not going to happen.
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