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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But why should you have any say in what he does as long as he's not hurting anyone?
    Masturbating while leering at my daughter may not be physically hurting anybody, but I have no desire to live in such a society, nor does pretty much anybody else outside of degenerates and emotionally handicapped individuals.

    That's not much of an argument. Appealing to the majority proves nothing.
    The majority is required to successfully defend the government from invasion. You are so eager to setup a pure free country you fail to see that nobody wants to live in what you seek to create. Nobody is interested in protecting your version of government from being overthrown, so whatís the point in trying to establish it?

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Masturbating while leering at my daughter may not be physically hurting anybody, but I have no desire to live in such a society, nor does pretty much anybody else outside of degenerates and emotionally handicapped individuals.
    Freedom of association means that if you don't like him then you don't have to have anything to do with him.

    The majority is required to successfully defend the government from invasion. You are so eager to setup a pure free country you fail to see that nobody wants to live in what you seek to create. Nobody is interested in protecting your version of government from being overthrown, so whatís the point in trying to establish it?
    Because the majority usually doesn't know what is best for itself. We're not all experts on everything.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Freedom of association means that if you don't like him then you don't have to have anything to do with him.
    Sorry but your defense is weak. My yard is right next to his property. My daughter has no choice but to watch him fondle himself because he is making sure that he stays within eyeshot of her while he does so. Her only option is to not play outside. What a wonderful Utopia you have created in your pursuit of total freedom (rolls eyes)

    Here is the reality of how it goes down Ė it becomes anarchy essentially. Because the government canít ban this perverts actions outright, what I do is beat the ever living crap out of him. Then I stand trial and am found not guilty because 99% of us donít want to live in such a society and the jury sides with me. The courts become horrible inefficient because the majority that make up the court system are being prevented from getting the government they want but still can see right from wrong. So we live in a society where the written law and the observed law are completely at odds with one another.

    Because the majority usually doesn't know what is best for itself. We're not all experts on everything.
    What circular idiocy. The majority are the driving force that created the government we had, and they are the reason we have the government we have. You live in some unrealistic vacuum where people are just going to sit around and accept a government that they donít agree with.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Sorry but your defense is weak. My yard is right next to his property. My daughter has no choice but to watch him fondle himself because he is making sure that he stays within eyeshot of her while he does so. Her only option is to not play outside. What a wonderful Utopia you have created in your pursuit of total freedom (rolls eyes)
    He cannot force her to associate with him. You are still choosing to ignore that.

    Here is the reality of how it goes down Ė it becomes anarchy essentially. Because the government canít ban this perverts actions outright, what I do is beat the ever living crap out of him. Then I stand trial and am found not guilty because 99% of us donít want to live in such a society and the jury sides with me. The courts become horrible inefficient because the majority that make up the court system are being prevented from getting the government they want but still can see right from wrong. So we live in a society where the written law and the observed law are completely at odds with one another.
    I can't say it better than Socrates: "Not so, my simple friend, but because you will refute me after the manner which rhetoricians practise in courts of law. For there the one party think that they refute the other when they bring forward a number of witnesses of good repute in proof of their allegations, and their adversary has only a single one or none at all. But this kind of proof is of no value where truth is the aim; a man may often be sworn down by a multitude of false witnesses who have a great air of respectability. And in this argument nearly every one, Athenian and stranger alike, would be on your side, if you should bring witnesses in disproof of my statement-you may, if you will, summon Nicias the son of Niceratus, and let his brothers, who gave the row of tripods which stand in the precincts of Dionysus, come with him; or you may summon Aristocrates, the son of Scellius, who is the giver of that famous offering which is at Delphi; summon, if you will, the whole house of Pericles, or any other great Athenian family whom you choose-they will all agree with you: I only am left alone and cannot agree, for you do not convince me; although you produce many false witnesses against me, in the hope of depriving me of my inheritance, which is the truth."

    What circular idiocy. The majority are the driving force that created the government we had, and they are the reason we have the government we have. You live in some unrealistic vacuum where people are just going to sit around and accept a government that they donít agree with.
    Where do you get the assumption that what is right and good lies with what the majority wants?

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    He cannot force her to associate with him. You are still choosing to ignore that.
    She can't turn off her ability to see what is in front of her, you are choosing to ignore that. You want to paint strict libertarian philosophy as not crazy, but you are defending crazy behavior.


    Where do you get the assumption that what is right and good lies with what the majority wants?
    right and good is irrelevant in this discussion.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    She can't turn off her ability to see what is in front of her, you are choosing to ignore that. You want to paint strict libertarian philosophy as not crazy, but you are defending crazy behavior.
    You don't own the sightlines. If you want a say over what people do on other property then buy it. Otherwise make sure your daughter doesn't look over there.

    right and good is irrelevant in this discussion.
    Not at all. We always want the government to do what is right and good.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    You don't own the sightlines. If you want a say over what people do on other property then buy it. Otherwise make sure your daughter doesn't look over there.
    the system we have now, which we always have because your rigid ideology is crazy, allows me and my peers to petition government to protect her "sight lines".

    your insane ideology also protects animated child pornography. It really is high school dogma and I've wasted enough time with it because I will never have to buy squat, I already have a say. Freedom pursued with such reckless abandon is as realistic as Marxism.


    Not at all. We always want the government to do what is right and good.


    right and good are subjective. Nearly all of us feel protecting the "site lines" of young children is right and good. We think pure libertarian dogma is wrong and bad.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the system we have now, which we always have because your rigid ideology is crazy, allows me and my peers to petition government to protect her "sight lines".
    And it violates other people's property rights. You seem to have no problem with other people telling you what you can do with your property rights. In fact, with your thinking, a majority could decide that you could never have sex on your property because a child might see it. Would you agree with that?

    your insane ideology also protects animated child pornography. It really is high school dogma and I've wasted enough time with it because I will never have to buy squat, I already have a say. Freedom pursued with such reckless abandon is as realistic as Marxism.
    How does it protect "animated child pornography?"

    right and good are subjective. Nearly all of us feel protecting the "site lines" of young children is right and good. We think pure libertarian dogma is wrong and bad.
    Right and good are absolutes. People just have different opinions on what those right and good things are.

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    Interesting debate you two are having. Can't say I agree with either of you, really.
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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Interesting debate you two are having. Can't say I agree with either of you, really.
    That's because you just aren't libertarian enough.

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