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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Damn right I will counter back with reality. the law is an extension of the mob. When the mob wanted to allow slavery, we had slavery. When they wanted to treat women as property, they were property. If the courts don't give the mob what they want, the mob revolts.
    Except that these things weren't ended by majority vote.

    Government does not exist in a vacuum - it has to give the people what they want. It will only be able to protect the rights that the people want protected. It's the sad truth and is why libertarianism is a joke - it fails to take the human equation into account just as Marxism does.
    But when the majority votes to trample the rights of the minority, then rights are not protected. That's why we have laws.

    We are all statists. Accept it and find an ideology that works with human nature. I personally suggest the platform espoused by Ron Paul (that one's for Jallman).
    And that's a form of libertarianism. Libertarianism is not anarchism.

    But more importantly, drop the statist shtick. You sound like a high school kid when you throw that overused buzz word around.
    And an ad-hominem to finish it off.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Except that these things weren't ended by majority vote.
    so what? When did I say anything about a simple majority? Looking back, I used an example of 99%.

    But when the majority votes to trample the rights of the minority, then rights are not protected. That's why we have laws.
    Our laws constantly trample the rights of the minority. As Ayn Rand famously stated, there is no greater minority then the individual.

    And that's a form of libertarianism. Libertarianism is not anarchism.
    No, his belief in the constitution is not a form of Libertarianism.

    And an ad-hominem to finish it off.
    It's great advice. For your own sake, take it. High School/College doesn't last forever.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    so what? When did I say anything about a simple majority? Looking back, I used an example of 99%.
    That doesn't ensure that freedom is respected.

    Our laws constantly trample the rights of the minority. As Ayn Rand famously stated, there is no greater minority then the individual.
    I'm pretty sure that Ayn Rand would not support mob rule over individual freedom.

    No, his belief in the constitution is not a form of Libertarianism.
    It really is. He supports the liberties and freedoms of the people of this country more than anyone else in congress. He even ran once with the libertarian party.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    That doesn't ensure that freedom is respected.
    that is because all freedom is not, has not, and never will be respected.

    It really is. He supports the liberties and freedoms of the people of this country more than anyone else in congress. He even ran once with the libertarian party.
    He leans libertarian, as I do, but he is not a Libertarian. He has even been asked, and will reply with a no.

    Political Parties are collectivist by nature. Yes, he ran as the nominee in 1988. Big woop.

    Explain for me how an actual libertarian would ever support DOMA as Ron Paul did.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    that is because all freedom is not, has not, and never will be respected.
    It can be achieved, and we should always aim to acienve it.

    He leans libertarian, as I do, but he is not a Libertarian. He has even been asked, and will reply with a no.

    Political Parties are collectivist by nature. Yes, he ran as the nominee in 1988. Big woop.

    Explain for me how an actual libertarian would ever support DOMA as Ron Paul did.
    My goal is not to show that a person is a pure libertarian. It doesn't achieve anything.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It can be achieved, and we should always aim to acienve it.
    sorry but no. I don't wish to live in a society where people can masturbate on the edge of their property simply because they aren't initiating violence.


    My goal is not to show that a person is a pure libertarian. It doesn't achieve anything.
    I'm not sure what your goal is. It seems to be to lobby for mods to remove the libertarian lean if they aren't pure enough for you.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Can I just say that I will never, ever, ever rip on your for our "who's the better conservative" pissing contests again after reading this kid's posts?

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    sorry but no. I don't wish to live in a society where people can masturbate on the edge of their property simply because they aren't initiating violence.
    What a person does in the privacy of his own property is his business. You don't want to be told what you can do in the bedroom, do you?

    I'm not sure what your goal is. It seems to be to lobby for mods to remove the libertarian lean if they aren't pure enough for you.
    I'm trying to get you to realize that libertarianism isn't as crazy as you make it out to be, despite what jallman says and how he attempts to show his superiority by just referencing me and not even talking to me.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What a person does in the privacy of his own property is his business.
    99% of us disagree. See my edge of yard voyeurism example above.

    You don't want to be told what you can do in the bedroom, do you?
    ummmm......sometimes

    I'm trying to get you to realize that libertarianism isn't as crazy as you make it out to be
    But then you go and try to defend things that the vast majority of society prefers to live without. Almost nobody is interested in protecting and preserving your version of a free society.

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    Re: NYC officials duped into approving first gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    99% of us disagree. See my edge of yard voyeurism example above.
    But why should you have any say in what he does as long as he's not hurting anyone?

    ummmm......sometimes
    Yeah, , but not by the government.

    But then you go and try to defend things that the vast majority of society prefers to live without. Almost nobody is interested in protecting and preserving your version of a free society.
    That's not much of an argument. Appealing to the majority proves nothing.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
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