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    Re: Taliban dupe boy, 12, into planting bomb

    More cases of using kids are popping up around the world.

    This can be attributed to many things..

    1. Kids can get closer to targets.
    2. Casualties amongst the enemy has forced them to expand recruitment to children.

    etc etc.

    Doesn't matter a kid with a rifle will kill you just as easily as a 90 year old can kill you with an 16th Century matchlock.

    If caught they will likely be easier to re-educate.
    We can feel sorry for them.
    It will be rougher on those who kill them in battle.

    Past that... oh well... its war.

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    Re: Taliban dupe boy, 12, into planting bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    [...] If anyone doesn't think we should seak out and destroy these anaimals are crazy.
    Our interventionism is precisely the reason why movements like Taliban get any support.


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    Using Children isn't that against the Quran.
    Quran is for making children (i.e. four wives, barefoot and pregnant).

    For winning an asymmetrical war, the most moral method is one that is most effective.

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    Re: Taliban dupe boy, 12, into planting bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yep, nowhere in the world has a group of extremists EVER perverted a religion, it must be that all followers of Islam are terrorists right?
    I don't think that all Muslims are terrorists, but you will notice that the outcry again terrorism in the Muslim world is very, very small.

    So, I think that the overwhelming majority of the world's Muhammadans are at least accessories, before and after the fact to terrorism. I certainly invite them to prove the contrary.
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    Re: Taliban dupe boy, 12, into planting bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I don't think that all Muslims are terrorists, but you will notice that the outcry again terrorism in the Muslim world is very, very small.
    Have you been watching the news at any time in the last year? Pakistani villagers are PERSONALLY fighting the Taliban off, even when their own government can't or won't. They hate the Taliban and don't want them in their communities.
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    Re: Taliban dupe boy, 12, into planting bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Have you been watching the news at any time in the last year? Pakistani villagers are PERSONALLY fighting the Taliban off, even when their own government can't or won't. They hate the Taliban and don't want them in their communities.
    And I applaud them! Now what percentage of the Muslim world does that represent? And was this a rebellion against Terrorism in the name of Allah, or a response by the villagers to terroistic tactics used against themselves? Did the villagers object in any material way when the Taliban were attacking people far away?

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    Re: Taliban dupe boy, 12, into planting bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    And I applaud them! Now what percentage of the Muslim world does that represent?
    What percentage of the Muslim world does the TALIBAN represent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold
    And was this a rebellion against Terrorism in the name of Allah, or a response by the villagers to terroistic tactics used against themselves?
    I would assume that like any rational person, Pakistani civilians are more concerned about being blown to bits than they are about the blasphemy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold
    Did the villagers object in any material way when the Taliban were attacking people far away?
    Why would they, if it wasn't a part of their every day experience? How much time have you spent condemning the Tamil Tigers or the Lord's Resistance Army? Have you ever objected in any material way (whatever that means)?
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    Re: Taliban dupe boy, 12, into planting bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What percentage of the Muslim world does the TALIBAN represent?
    As I took pains to point out, since the majoprity of the world's Muslim population appears to be quite comfortable, even encouraging of such tactics, I consider them, with no doubt numerous individual exceptions, to generally be accessories to Terrorism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I would assume that like any rational person, Pakistani civilians are more concerned about being blown to bits than they are about the blasphemy.
    If this were more generally true among Mohammedans, then recruiting efforts for suicide bombers would be pretty much friutless, no?

    While I concede that most Muslims will not have the personal mindless bravery needed to become a suicide bomber, it would appear to the casual observer that most of the Muslim World celebrates these individuals.

    So it is fairly obvious, that taken as a whole, Islam is far more concerned with issues such as blasphemy, than with any concern that someone, including their own adherents will be "blown to bits."


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why would they, if it wasn't a part of their every day experience? How much time have you spent condemning the Tamil Tigers or the Lord's Resistance Army? Have you ever objected in any material way (whatever that means)?
    Why, yes I have as a matter of fact.
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    Re: Taliban dupe boy, 12, into planting bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Why, yes I have as a matter of fact.
    How?

    And, if you have, you are one of the few around the world who did.

    Of ANY belief system.
    Education.

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    Re: Taliban dupe boy, 12, into planting bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    As I took pains to point out, since the majoprity of the world's Muslim population appears to be quite comfortable, even encouraging of such tactics, I consider them, with no doubt numerous individual exceptions, to generally be accessories to Terrorism.
    Double standard. You're unwilling to consider the example of the Pakistani villagers fighting the Taliban, because they represent a small part of the Islamic world. Yet you automatically use the Taliban itself (which represents an even smaller part of the Islamic world) to paint all Muslims as terrorists. Never mind that the Taliban's approval rating in both Afghanistan and Pakistan hovers around 4%.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold
    If this were more generally true among Mohammedans, then recruiting efforts for suicide bombers would be pretty much friutless, no?
    They ARE pretty much fruitless. Those activities are almost entirely confined to a few of the worst spots in the Muslim world, such as the Gaza Strip...and even there, they are much less common than they used to be.

    Guess what terrorist organization has committed more suicide bombings in the last 50 years than any other? Hint: It isn't a Muslim group.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold
    While I concede that most Muslims will not have the personal mindless bravery needed to become a suicide bomber, it would appear to the casual observer that most of the Muslim World celebrates these individuals.
    Only if you define "most of the Muslim world" to mean the Gaza Strip, Hezbollah, and pre-war Iraq. The Muslim world stretches all the way from Morocco to Indonesia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold
    So it is fairly obvious, that taken as a whole, Islam is far more concerned with issues such as blasphemy, than with any concern that someone, including their own adherents will be "blown to bits."
    And your evidence for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold
    Why, yes I have as a matter of fact.
    I'm calling bull****. What have you done "in a material way" to condemn those groups, that most Muslims haven't ALSO done to condemn terrorism in faraway lands?
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    Re: Taliban dupe boy, 12, into planting bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    How?

    And, if you have, you are one of the few around the world who did.

    Of ANY belief system.
    First and foremost, I actively, loudly and constantly condemn anyone who claims my religion and abuses it. For instance the Westboro Baptist Church nutjobs.

    I denounce anyone proclaiming hatred of in the Name of Christ.

    As a matter of fact, almost everyone i know of that Faith condemns its abuse especially to foster hatred and aggression. You need look no further than the overtly Christian donations to charitable efforts that will primarily aid non-Christians.

    On the more mundane level, I was once upon a time in the Air Force, participate in politics and educate the willing.


    Take a fresh look at most modern religions, and you won't really find a major threat to the general welfare in most.
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