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    US rejects victory claim by Iran's Ahmadinejad

    US rejects victory claim by Iran's Ahmadinejad
    By CAROLYN THOMPSON, AP
    3 hours ago

    NIAGARA FALLS, Ontario The U.S. on Saturday refused to accept hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's claim of a landslide re-election victory in Iran and said it was looking into allegations of election fraud.

    Any hopes by the Obama administration of gaining a result similar to Lebanon's recent election, won by a Western-backed moderate coalition, appeared to be in jeopardy.

    "We are monitoring the situation as it unfolds in Iran, but we, like the rest of the world, are waiting and watching to see what the Iranian people decide," U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said at a news conference with Canada's foreign affairs minister, Lawrence Cannon.

    Minutes after Clinton spoke, the White House released a two-sentence statement praising "the vigorous debate and enthusiasm that this election generated, particularly among young Iranians," but expressing concern about "reports of irregularities."

    Despite the challenge from reformist Mir Hossein Mousavi to incumbent Ahmadinejad, many officials and experts thought a Mousavi victory would result in only incremental shifts toward the U.S.

    Because real power in Tehran is still wielded by religious leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, some say an Ahmadinejad re-election may make it easier to build an international consensus against Iran.
    US rejects victory claim by Iran's Ahmadinejad | Comcast.net


    While nice to think Obama cares.... the reality of the situation makes this a rather stupid move.
    Knee-jerk actually.

    Its not very likely there will be ether a coup or civil war in Iran. SO...

    If he's illegitimate to the USA how the hell is Obama going to justify talking with him?
    ...what 3 months form now we'll say oh its ok now he's the real illegitimate leader we can deal with......what?

    Going to be fun watching the left justify that hypocrisy. Because the one thing that will not change is any hope of Obama getting a brain and realizing negotiations have failed.
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    Re: US rejects victory claim by Iran's Ahmadinejad

    If the US does not recognize Ahmadinejad as the Iranian President then they will simply just do negotiations with his opponent. No hypocrisy required.

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    Re: US rejects victory claim by Iran's Ahmadinejad

    LOL

    So Obama will have nuclear weapons talks with a guy who runs his 3 bedroom apartment?

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    Re: US rejects victory claim by Iran's Ahmadinejad

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    US rejects victory claim by Iran's Ahmadinejad | Comcast.net


    While nice to think Obama cares.... the reality of the situation makes this a rather stupid move.
    Knee-jerk actually.

    Its not very likely there will be ether a coup or civil war in Iran. SO...

    If he's illegitimate to the USA how the hell is Obama going to justify talking with him?
    ...what 3 months form now we'll say oh its ok now he's the real illegitimate leader we can deal with......what?

    Going to be fun watching the left justify that hypocrisy. Because the one thing that will not change is any hope of Obama getting a brain and realizing negotiations have failed.
    Ahmedinejad has garnered support and votes off the back of America. He has used America's past of intefereing and manipulating Iranian politics under the Shah to spur up hate in the Iranian people claiming the Americans tried to sabotage there now much beloved Islamic Republic under the Ayatollah and they pose a threat to the Islamic Republic today, and only he can save Iran from American hatred for the state. He has used this knowledge of past American inteference in national affairs as anti-US propaganda which stirs well with a hardliner. Now he is making a nucleur programme knowing it will draw critisim from America and using that as anti-US propaganda too, showing the Americans are once again intefereing in Iranian affairs and pose a threat to the legitemacy of there Islamic republic. The diplomatic approaches of America have all helped secure the legitemacy of Ahmedinejads claims, with the added state propaganda. Now, America has taken it upon themselves to deny the legitemacy of the presidential win with hardly any grounds. This will work to Ahmedinejads favour once again and further isolate the negotiating process.


    Obama needs to stop contradicting himself in his foriegn policy for Iran. He claims he wants a change in approach but he gave the thumbs up for an extended UN embargo. America's political tone has changed but there is no actions to back this up, and this has left the Ayatollah unconvinced. America needs to make sacrifices. End the embargo's, allow the activists in Iran to settle the voting dispute; i mean what did they expect, its a theocracy? Then, approach Ahmedinejad. If he is still unwilling to make comprimises despite the diplomatic changes made, the Iranians will see this, and the West will be satisfied because they did all that could be done for a potential settling of differences with Iran. Place even stronger embargo's, isolate there theocracy further, and do the only thing left. Wait Ahmedinejad out of his term.
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    Re: US rejects victory claim by Iran's Ahmadinejad

    Time to give Israel the go ahead.
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    Re: US rejects victory claim by Iran's Ahmadinejad

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Time to give Israel the go ahead.
    I think it's better to wait and see how would the Iranian people react to the rigged elections first.
    Although, striking during the current riots could indeed prove to be a good idea.
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    Re: US rejects victory claim by Iran's Ahmadinejad

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Time to give Israel the go ahead.
    An Israeli strike will only unify the Iranians against Israel. Not exactly the thing you want to do.

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    Re: US rejects victory claim by Iran's Ahmadinejad

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    While nice to think Obama cares.... the reality of the situation makes this a rather stupid move.
    There's really not much choice. If the Iranians do succeed in toppling the mullahs and Ahmadinejad, the US needs to be in a position to have positive relations with whatever government comes next.

    If the Iranians do not topple Ahmadinejad, the US hasn't really lost much, since he was not exactly enthusiastic about talking with the US in the first place.

    The fact that this came from Clinton tells me the careerists at Foggy Bottom are seeking to straddle the fence line for the time being.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    If he's illegitimate to the USA how the hell is Obama going to justify talking with him?
    That's easy....legitimate or no, he's the man who's soon going to have nuclear weapons. Ignoring him means a nuclearized and largely unchecked Iran. If he's illegitimate it merely puts the characterization of Iran in the same cast as North Korea--a rogue pariah state with nuclear capacity--and that's not exactly a huge difference from the characterization of the Islamic Republic right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Going to be fun watching the left justify that hypocrisy. Because the one thing that will not change is any hope of Obama getting a brain and realizing negotiations have failed.
    There's no hypocrisy in realpolitik. In foreign relations you deal with the governments that are there. In Iran, that's the Islamic Republic; we can dislike them, but we can't disregard them.

    What will be interesting is watching the left contend with the sobering reality that Iran has shown itself to have no compelling interest in negotiations, and the rioting and alleged election irregularities merely drive that point home.

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    Re: US rejects victory claim by Iran's Ahmadinejad

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Time to give Israel the go ahead.
    Not yet. That would play to Ahmadinejad and strengthen his position.

    The thing to do would be to wait for full civil war to break out, then sneak a couple Stealth bombers in on a night bombing run to produce some "tragic" explosions around Natanz, and Arak.

    Anything the US or Israel might do against Iran's nuclear facilities needs to have complete plausible deniability. Better yet, find a way to make the Russians or the Chinese the bad guys.

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    Re: US rejects victory claim by Iran's Ahmadinejad

    I've read the entire article and just can't find the part where the "US rejects victory claim by Iran's Ahmadinejad."

    In point of fact, our leaders have not "rejected" anything. Here, read it again:

    "We are monitoring the situation as it unfolds in Iran, but we, like the rest of the world, are waiting and watching to see what the Iranian people decide," U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said at a news conference with Canada's foreign affairs minister, Lawrence Cannon.

    Minutes after Clinton spoke, the White House released a two-sentence statement praising "the vigorous debate and enthusiasm that this election generated, particularly among young Iranians," but expressing concern about "reports of irregularities."

    ...

    Administration officials remained silent out of concern that any comments might influence the results.

    ...

    Neither Clinton nor the White House mentioned Ahmadinejad or his chief rival Mousavi, by name, or acknowledged the incumbent's victory declaration.

    ...

    In brief remarks in Canada, Clinton cited "the enthusiasm and the very vigorous debate and dialogue" in the run-up to the vote. "We obviously hope that the outcome reflects the genuine will and desire of the Iranian people," she said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Going to be fun watching the left justify that hypocrisy.
    No more entertaining than you trying to justify the article's specious claims.
    Last edited by Glinda; 06-14-09 at 11:56 AM.

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