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Minuteman leader arrested for double homicide

Well.....this is a typical and happens every day in America, though you may not know about it because the people are not caught....or it is hidden and covered up by some form of government. It is very sad indeed that it happens, but it does, and this is no different than the other children throughout America who are shot because they could be a witness to a crime. I'm glad they have the assailants in custody, and they should be prosecuted. Now if we could catch the assailants every time something like this happens it would be great.
 
Another group of right wing extremists murder innocent people in cold blood to further their cause.

I guess maybe we should dig out that report the republican's made Napolitano apologize for and take another look at it eh?
 
NDNdancer said:
Another group of right wing extremists murder innocent people in cold blood to further their cause.

I guess maybe we should dig out that report the republican's made Napolitano apologize for and take another look at it eh?
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That's not at all fair to say that. Troll it up trolly trolly troll.
 
Liz Peeps said:
That's not at all fair to say that.
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Oh, and which part was unfair?

A group, of three, Minutemen, were arrested for murdering a drug dealer AND HIS 9 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER while trying to rob the said drug dealer to get a pile of money to further their cause.

Are they not right wing extremists?

Did they not murder an innocent?

To further their cause?

Did not Republicans demand Napolitano apologize for a report that predicted this very thing?

In the past month, hasn't there been a HUGE upswing in right wing domestic terrorist activity?

Just which part was unfair?

Oh yeah, I got it...... "They "allegedly" murdered...... "

Please, do let me fix that. IF this is true...... (refer to my first post).

There ya go!
 
If they invaded that house prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.
 
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NDNdancer said:
Are they not right wing extremists?
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We don't know that yet. Some people are just nuts and they don't do things based on political leaning.
 
NDNdancer said:
Another group of right wing extremists murder innocent people in cold blood to further their cause.

I guess maybe we should dig out that report the republican's made Napolitano apologize for and take another look at it eh?
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Comments like this make it necessary to state the obvious:

No one has been convicted of anything as of yet, only arrested.

Further, the below quote from the article in the local news would seem to indicate that no (to quote you) "group of right wing extremists" has been convicted, let alone accused, of doing any such thing:

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik says, "We are not charging any of the minutemen groups with anything. But one of these individuals was involved with one of those groups."
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Individuals, yes. Groups, no.

Finially, I can truthfully say that I apparently do not pay enough attention to badly beaten dead equines to know what your second statement refers to.
 
TheNextEra said:
We don't know that yet. Some people are just nuts and they don't do things based on political leaning.
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MAD Home

Shawna Forde, one of those arrested, is the Executive Director of MAD.

From the AP:
The Associated Press: Ariz. home invasion suspects tied to border group
TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) — Two of three people arrested in a southern Arizona home invasion that left a little girl and her father dead had connections to a Washington state anti-illegal immigration group that conducts border watch activities in Arizona.

Jason Eugene Bush, 34, Shawna Forde, 41, and Albert Robert Gaxiola, 42, have been charged with two counts each of first-degree murder and other charges, said Sheriff Clarence Dupnic of Pima County, Ariz.

The trio are alleged to have dressed as law enforcement officers and forced their way into a rural Arivaca home on May 30, wounding a woman and fatally shooting her husband and their 9-year-old daughter. Their motive was financial, Dupnic said.

"The husband who was murdered has a history of being involved in narcotics and there was an anticipation that there would be a considerable amount of cash at this location as well as the possibility of drugs," Dupnic said.

Forde is the leader of Minutemen American Defense, a small border watch group, and Bush goes by the nickname "Gunny" and is its operations director, according to the group's Web site. She is from Everett, Wash., has recently been living in Arizona and was once associated with the better known and larger Minuteman Civil Defense Corps
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Forde is well known in the anti-illegal immigration community, said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University-San Bernardino.

"She's someone who even within the anti-immigration movement has been labeled as unstable," Levin said. "She was basically forced out of another anti-immigrant group, the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, and then founded her own organization."
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NDNdancer said:
Did not Republicans demand Napolitano apologize for a report that predicted this very thing?
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No, absolutely not.

This is a tragic horrible event because it involves a child being shot and killed, but no--the association with right-leaning or even far-right is unfair because once they became criminals, they were out on a limb, like Scott Roeder and von Brunn.

It's early and we may not have all the facts, but my understanding is they entered the home of a known drug dealer dressed as police. They were there to rob the drug dealer. They are criminals. As much as I have concerns about the Minutemen--these people (two associated with the Minutemen) were engaged in a criminal endeavor that resulted in the death of a child.

I believe the felony murder rule will apply, and they will all get the death penalty.

Left-leaning pundits are going to go to town with this story.
 
NDNdancer said:
Another group of right wing extremists murder innocent people in cold blood to further their cause.

I guess maybe we should dig out that report the republican's made Napolitano apologize for and take another look at it eh?
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It took 4 posts for this thread to spiral into partisan hackery.

Thank you sir.
 
The Mark said:
Comments like this make it necessary to state the obvious:

No one has been convicted of anything as of yet, only arrested.

Further, the below quote from the article in the local news would seem to indicate that no (to quote you) "group of right wing extremists" has been convicted, let alone accused, of doing any such thing:



Individuals, yes. Groups, no.

Finially, I can truthfully say that I apparently do not pay enough attention to badly beaten dead equines to know what your second statement refers to.
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The AP story makes it clear, these people, group of 3, killed two people to further their group's cause, hoping to get money from a drug dealer to make thier group more "sophisticated".

They've been charged of two counts of murder. But not convicted.
 
chevydriver1123 said:
Isnt that a new record?
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Not really, some topics start out as partisan, by their nature.

This one wasn't one of those, it had to be forced in that direction.

Only a select few can do this.
 
Well so far she is saying she is not guilty so lets see what the courts say.
 
Caine said:
It took 4 posts for this thread to spiral into partisan hackery.

Thank you sir.
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You're welcome Sir! BTW, that lil symbol under my name means I'm female. Just bein helpful...... :mrgreen:
 
NDNdancer said:
Another group of right wing extremists murder innocent people in cold blood to further their cause.

I guess maybe we should dig out that report the republican's made Napolitano apologize for and take another look at it eh?
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Sorry. This has nothing to do with partisanship...except your own partisan hackery. This has as much to do with conservatism as did the Tiller killing or the killing at the Holocaust museum; ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Folks like these don't practice mainstream conservatism. They practice fascism.
 
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NDNdancer said:
Oh, and which part was unfair?

A group, of three, Minutemen, were arrested for murdering a drug dealer AND HIS 9 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER while trying to rob the said drug dealer to get a pile of money to further their cause.
Partially. In all the stories I have read, only one of the arrested persons (the female) is stated to be the leader of one of the groups calling themselves Minutemen. Specifically, a group called "Minutemen American Defense". (Source 1) Although another story states she is a former leader in some group called "Minuteman Civil Defense Corps". (Source 2) Perhaps the latter was too reasonable for her, and the result was MAD?

Are they not right wing extremists?
Very likely. All evidence points to at least the female being so.

Did they not murder an innocent?
According to police, only one of them (not the female MAD leader) did the actual murdering, but yes.

To further their cause?
As far as I know, yes.

Did not Republicans demand Napolitano apologize for a report that predicted this very thing?
No idea.

In the past month, hasn't there been a HUGE upswing in right wing domestic terrorist activity?
No idea. Haven't been paying enough attention.

Just which part was unfair?
The overall tone and accuracy of your statement, which attempted to toss a whole bunch of other people/groups under it's damning canopy.

Oh yeah, I got it...... "They "allegedly" murdered...... "
That too.

Please, do let me fix that. IF this is true...... (refer to my first post).
If by "this" you refer to the statement attacking your statement as unfair, then it is true.

There ya go!
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Hey ND, here's the link you should have used.

U.S.- Mexican border watchers arrested in killings of dad, girl in Arizona - BostonHerald.com


Three people, including the leader of a border watch group and an officer within that group, were arrested in connection with a May 30 home invasion that left a father and his daughter dead and the mother wounded, authorities said.

One of those arrested, Shawna Forde, is the leader of Minutemen American Defense, a group out of Washington state that conducts operations along the U.S.-Mexican border in Arizona. The group is not related to either the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps founded by Chris Simcox, or the Minuteman Project founded by Jim Gilchrist.

Authorities also arrested Jason Eugene Bush, 34, who serves as operations director for the Washington group, and Albert Robert Gaxiola, 42, in connection with the shooting deaths of Raul Flores, 29, and his 9-year-old daughter, Brisenia Flores, said Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.​

hmmmmm...
 
NDNdancer said:
The AP story makes it clear, these people, group of 3, killed two people to further their group's cause, hoping to get money from a drug dealer to make thier group more "sophisticated".

They've been charged of two counts of murder. But not convicted.
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It sounds like Forde is on the outs with the group and had gone rogue.

The Sahuarita Sun > Breaking News > Suspect in murders headed Minuteman group

But her association didn’t last long, and within Minuteman group circles Forde is controversial, according to a February article from the Daily Herald in Everett, Wash.

Hal Washburn, vetting officer for Washington state chapter of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, said Forde was encouraged to leave the group over questions about honesty and her inability to follow orders, according to the story. San Diego Minutemen lists Forde among people they won’t work with, calling her “unstable.”
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