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Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

actually they say: "Irani dies, but does not get oppressed." "I'll Kill, I'll Kill, he who killed my brother" "Don't be afraid, don't be afraid, we're all united" "death to the dictator" "victory comes from allah and it's near, death to this deciever government"
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Stop tainting this thread with your off-topic, supercilious commentary. This is a thread about Iran, whose people are in the streets right now, chanting: "I will fight, I will die, I will get my vote back."

This is about people being beaten by riot police and being denied access to medical care. This is about people fighting and dying to get rights that you take for granted.

More news coverage from the Guardian, UK : Iran's disputed elections: the aftermath | News | guardian.co.uk
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This is not off-topic. The Iranian right has learned the foolproof method for stealing elections. There will be no recount, and the people in the streets will see no justice. The same thing has happened in America, but with less noise.
 
Huge crowds defy Tehran rally ban - Middle East, World - The Independent

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Leaked election results show Mahmoud Ahmadinejad came third

Mr Mousavi's cancellation of the protest came as sporadic disturbances continued around the Iranian capital, and reports circulated of leaked interior ministry statistics showing him as the clear victor in last Friday's polls. The statistics, circulated on Iranian blogs and websites, claimed Mr Mousavi had won 19.1 million votes while Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had won only 5.7 million. The two other candidates, reformist Mehdi Karoubi and hardliner Mohsen Rezai, won 13.4 million and 3.7 million respectively. The authenticity of the leaked figures could not be confirmed.
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Iran protest cancelled as leaked election results show Mahmoud Amadinejad came third - Telegraph

**** me, if true third is one heck of a jump.

The Supreme leader has apparently ordered a inquest into the voting o_O
We might just see Mousavi win
 
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WillRockwell said:
This is not off-topic. The Iranian right has learned the foolproof method for stealing elections. There will be no recount, and the people in the streets will see no justice. The same thing has happened in America, but with less noise.
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You are derailing. Take the partisanship somewhere else plz.
 
Apocalypse said:
The supreme leader has ordered himself to investigate the elections.
How marvelous.
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As long as it is corrected, it doesn't matter.
Ahmadinejad has cancelled a trip the TV reports.
He may just be losing his position.


Some of the photos coming out of Iran look amazing.

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this is the path that people FILLED in the street today. government officials are still threatening people in national TV. :D
 
youknowwho said:
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this is the path that people FILLED in the street today. government officials are still threatening people in national TV. :D
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If the leaders do not blow the kindling flames out with on big breath then their breath will instead turn those flames into a roaring inferno against them... And I doubt they are going to start carpet bombing so maybe those leaders should start feeling fear instead of threatening.
 
The Mark said:
Perhaps.

The tipping point might be further than I personally or many others collectively would tolerate, but it seems to me that it would still exist.
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Well, over the last year we have proved as a country that we will tolerate almost anything. We just had the government give away over a billion dollars to giant rich corporations, because they screwed up!! If I screwed up 1/10 of the way they did, I would be in jail or homeless. But instead both parties took taxpayer money, and gave it to giant corporations who screwed the economy up in the first place. If that doesn't get people rioting, I don't know what will. And it was not just one party either. So we can't hide behind democracy, saying we will just vote out the people who did it. Bush gave hundreds of billions away, and obama gave hundreds of billions away. People call it socialism, but in reality this is something like the very opposite of socialism. And whatever it is stinks, and yet we do nothing about.


No, I feel quite certain we would accept almost anything, as we are too comfortable in this society, and we have too much to lose by not tolerating it.
 
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Cut the derailed attempts of getting this into the "Bush stole the elections" debates. Its not what this thread is about and its not going to get derailed.
 
Laila said:
We might just see Mousavi win
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Frankly, I don't see how Khameni can allow that at this point.

He praised Ahamenijad's victory as a "blessing" and urged everyone not to challenge the official result. Khameni has staked himself to Ahamenijad.

Remember, Khameni is the Supreme Leader--and more than that he is a Grand Ayatollah. He is presumed to be an expert on matters of Islamic law. How does it look if the Grand Ayatollah was hoodwinked by Ahamenijad's ballot box buffoonery?

If Khameni had kept mum, he would have more maneuvering room now. As it stands, he needs Ahamenijad to come out on top in every vote count in order to retain legitimacy.
 
I was interested to see this morning that the AP first reported that there had been no violence (I wonder who was writing that tripe?) and then revise their reporting to finally start to cover the actual demonstrations, instead of downplaying them.

The BBC, btw, is kicking the ass of ANY American news outlet right now in covering this major story.

And the American media outlets wonder why they are becoming irrelevant?
 
youknowwho said:
this is the path that people FILLED in the street today. government officials are still threatening people in national TV. :D
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The BBC have just been reporting on the Rally today, which the reporter was at. He said there were hundreds of thousands of people, possibly millions. He also said that the police kept well away from the protesters but were waiting at the side.

Unfortunately some sounds like shots have been heard. The reporter did not know what this was and said not to be worried yet as it may well be tear gas which sounds like bullets being fired.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
The BBC, btw, is kicking the ass of ANY American news outlet right now in covering this major story.

And the American media outlets wonder why they are becoming irrelevant?
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I'm watching BBC now as well =]
Channel 4 News is very very good as well
 
celticlord said:
Remember, Khameni is the Supreme Leader--and more than that he is a Grand Ayatollah. He is presumed to be an expert on matters of Islamic law. How does it look if the Grand Ayatollah was hoodwinked by Ahamenijad's ballot box buffoonery?
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The Supreme Leader needs the support of the people, he above anyone else should know the people power in Iran seeing it was because of Iranians, such a position came about when the revolution happened.

First and foremost.
Khameni cares about himself and his position.
I have also read clerics didn't care for Ahmadinejad
 
Laila said:
As long as it is corrected, it doesn't matter.
Ahmadinejad has cancelled a trip the TV reports.
He may just be losing his position.


Some of the photos coming out of Iran look amazing.

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This is what every dictatorship fears... accountability.

Very reminiscent of the Orange Revolution in Ukraine :yes:
 
Tashah said:
This is what every dictatorship fears... accountability.

Very reminiscent of the Orange Revolution in Ukraine :yes:
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It's beautiful. I think the western world needs to be reminded occasionally how desperately people around the world hope for freedom and self-rule.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
It's beautiful. I think the western world needs to be reminded occasionally how desperately people around the world hope for freedom and self-rule.
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Indeed and just imagine, they are doing this under threat from military.
I sometimes think we have no idea just how lucky we are.
 
Laila said:
First and foremost.
Khameni cares about himself and his position.
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I quite agree with this. It is why I am astounded Khameni was so willing to back Ahamenijad so quickly when the protests started almost immediately. Khameni's painted himself into a corner in that if Ahamenijad doesn't prevail, he comes out seriously weakened.
 
celticlord said:
I quite agree with this. It is why I am astounded Khameni was so willing to back Ahamenijad so quickly when the protests started almost immediately. Khameni's painted himself into a corner in that if Ahamenijad doesn't prevail, he comes out seriously weakened.
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Unless he gets a scapegoat for him
The longer it is drawn out, the worst position he will be in.
He will side with the winning team to keep power
 
Shots have been fired at a rally in Iran where hundreds of thousands of people were d

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Shots fired at huge Iran protest


No word yet on the extent of the shootings, just that they allegedly did come from Pro-Government militia at Opposition Protesters.

I do not see this fading off into the night or being forgotten any time soon. Combined with the knowledge that there is more than likely subversive elements from numerous governments around the world aiding the opposition, this has the makings to become much more widespread and violent
 
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