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Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

SgtRock said:
Here is a link to a story which confirms rioting in Tehran, Shiraz, Mashad and Rasht. I sure hope the rioting continues to spread and grow in intensity. Ahmademonjihad, the supreme leader Ali Khamenei need to be removed from power. The Iranian velvet rvolution is growing stronger as time goes on. Irans young long for freedom. They out number the theocrats and if they are not all rounded up, imprisoned or executed then eventually freedom will come to Iran.

Civil unrest in Iranian cities after Ahmadinejad declares victory - Wikinews, the free news source
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Very interesting.

I like this quote of Ahmadinejad :
The situation in the country is in a very good condition. Iran is the most stable country in the world, and there's the rule of law in this country, and all the people are equal before the law.
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The Mark said:
Perhaps.

But selecting a specific election belittles the constant corruption which has an effect on all our elections.

Which was what I was trying to point out.
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I agree on that point, I used that election solely for the fact that it was the most popular election battle in a long time.
 
Crowds join Ahmadinejad victory rally

Tens of thousands of people have joined a rally in central Tehran to celebrate the re-election of Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Crowds thronged the main thoroughfare, Vali Asr street, waving Iranian flags and chanting in jubilation.
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BBC NEWS | Middle East | Crowds join Ahmadinejad victory rally

Unless something changes I'm pretty confident most of the rioting was minor and hyped to extremes by various media outlets and will lead to nothing but some bad times for some of those who took part.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Well, in the 2000 election, the bad guys trying to steal the presidential election lost.

Hopefully Ahmadaboudajihad will fail just like the Democrats did.
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Well, I guess that depends on your version of the bad guys for the 2000 election. A lot of people say that Bush was the bad guy, and other say that Bush prevailed over the people trying to steal "his" election away. However you look at it, you're right, hopefully "Ahmadaboudajihad ", will fail.
 
According to this link, which, admittedly, should be taken with a grain of salt, the Mullahs have brought in Hamas Arabs for law enforcement purposes because many Iranian policemen are refusing to arrest protesters.
 
Triad said:
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Crowds join Ahmadinejad victory rally

Unless something changes I'm pretty confident most of the rioting was minor and hyped to extremes by various media outlets and will lead to nothing but some bad times for some of those who took part.
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I was listening to Jon Simpson who was covering that story. Protesters were also at this rally.

The BBC does not think the disquiet is minor certainly not in Tehran. Our other reporter says it is very large and growing. That does not mean rioting or any kind of violence but protest.

It is difficult to know how to feel about this because there is of course the danger that it might start getting met with bullets.

If someone was killed our reporter thought that might really set people off.

They are not happy. He feels there is a momentum and it is growing.
 
Lots of violence and suppression of all media and communication outlets. It seems to be getting more violent.

The physical mustering of tens of thousands of fervent supporters from Mr Ahmadinejad’s core base among the poor, along with a massive uniformed and plainclothes security operation, was designed to intimidate. And it was not just their presence that the regime was using to quell dissent as it turned to electronic jamming and censorship to suppress attempts to publicise protests that were raging barely a mile from the presidential office, where Mr Ahmadinejad gave a surreal, Orwellian press conference.

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All weekend, late into the night, squads of 30 or 40 riot police tore round the capital on motorbikes, roaring along pavements when the roads were blocked, and waded into crowds of chanting Mousavi supporters with their batons. Others charged up streets on foot, or rode around in black Toyota Land Cruisers. They used teargas, rubber bullets and stun grenades, and by Saturday night they had been joined by marauding bands of basiji — volunteer paramilitaries — waving the national flag and chanting Ahmadinejad slogans.

Nobody was spared. The Times witnessed an old woman in a long black chador being beaten in a doorway after she hurled insults at the police, a teacher clubbed to the ground by a basij as he tried to protect his demonstrating students and countless protesters carried away with blood streaming from their wounds.
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Much more about the suppression of communications here:
Iranian President Ahmadinejad celebrates win with show of brutality - Times Online
 
Kandahar said:
I wouldn't count on it. These sort of mass protests tend to peter out after a few days/weeks a lot more often than they result in the collapse of the government. My guess is that the theocracy will restore order, although I would like to be proven wrong on this.
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Well to be a bit more clear, I was just pointing out the difference in the situation....a civil war and a rebellion are two different things. But I agree, a full on rebellion or armed insurrection is not likely at this time. They won't be able to keep the people down forever though.
 
alexa said:
I was listening to Jon Simpson who was covering that story. Protesters were also at this rally.

The BBC does not think the disquiet is minor certainly not in Tehran. Our other reporter says it is very large and growing. That does not mean rioting or any kind of violence but protest.

It is difficult to know how to feel about this because there is of course the danger that it might start getting met with bullets.

If someone was killed our reporter thought that might really set people off.

They are not happy. He feels there is a momentum and it is growing.
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I need to see bullets fly from the "reformers" or whomever to believe this has a chance at all of going beyond this.



Government shoots some people its right back to ["will lead to nothing but some bad times for some of those who took part." imo.
 
danarhea said:
According to this link, which, admittedly, should be taken with a grain of salt, the Mullahs have brought in Hamas Arabs for law enforcement purposes because many Iranian policemen are refusing to arrest protesters.
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M y suggestion is that you need several tons of salt to make this puppy a viable report.

Remember all of the conspiracy theories that flourished her about UN troops being brought into the USA ? Also all of the other BS stories of foreign troops being brought in to control Americans: Chnese, unemployed former Soviet border guards, East German border guards, brigades of Bulgarian bagpipers, on and on !!
 
F107HyperSabr said:
M y suggestion is that you need several tons of salt to make this puppy a viable report.

Remember all of the conspiracy theories that flourished her about UN troops being brought into the USA ? Also all of the other BS stories of foreign troops being brought in to control Americans: Chnese, unemployed former Soviet border guards, East German border guards, brigades of Bulgarian bagpipers, on and on !!
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I'm not so keen on most of those, but Bulgarian bagpipers might be interesting on a small scale.

Edit: Very small.
 
There are now reports from Iran that Ali Hashemi Rafsanjani is going to convene an emergency meeting of the Assembly of Experts. He is counting to see if he has enough votes to depose Supreme Leader Khamenei himself.
 
Kandahar said:
There are now reports from Iran that Ali Hashemi Rafsanjani is going to convene an emergency meeting of the Assembly of Experts. He is counting to see if he has enough votes to depose Supreme Leader Khamenei himself.
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Sweet!!!!

The Ayetoiletbowl may get removed from office.

AWSOME!!!

Hopefully, the mullah whores will be next.
 
danarhea said:
According to this link, which, admittedly, should be taken with a grain of salt, the Mullahs have brought in Hamas Arabs for law enforcement purposes because many Iranian policemen are refusing to arrest protesters.
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Hamas? I highly doubt it but I wouldn't be surprised if they brought in Hezbollah fresh off their defeat in the real democracy of Lebanon.
 
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Kandahar said:
There are now reports from Iran that Ali Hashemi Rafsanjani is going to convene an emergency meeting of the Assembly of Experts. He is counting to see if he has enough votes to depose Supreme Leader Khamenei himself.
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The Assembly of Experts are a joke, the Assembly of Experts who choose the Supreme Leader are chosen amongst a pre-screened list vetted by the Guardian Council, the Supreme Leader will not be deposed save through force.
 
Vader said:
Sweet!!!!

The Ayetoiletbowl may get removed from office.

AWSOME!!!

Hopefully, the mullah whores will be next.
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Don't bet on it, we wouldn't get that lucky.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
M y suggestion is that you need several tons of salt to make this puppy a viable report.

Remember all of the conspiracy theories that flourished her about UN troops being brought into the USA ? Also all of the other BS stories of foreign troops being brought in to control Americans: Chnese, unemployed former Soviet border guards, East German border guards, brigades of Bulgarian bagpipers, on and on !!
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That's not a conspiracy theory they're called contractors ;) Foreign guns for hire are less reliable than ones own soldiers though. - Machiavelli
 
Agent Ferris said:
The Assembly of Experts are a joke, the Assembly of Experts who choose the Supreme Leader are chosen amongst a pre-screened list vetted by the Guardian Council, the Supreme Leader will not be deposed save through force.
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If Rafsanjani decides to directly confront Khamenei, there's a good chance that the Assembly of Experts would line up behind him. According to Wikipedia, at least 65 of the 86-member Assembly are politically close to Rafsanjani. But it's hard to tell if they're close enough to Rafsanjani to take the radical step of deposing the Supreme Leader.

Ahmadinejad refused to guarantee Mousavi's safety today. It seems that the establishment is becoming increasingly rattled by the Mousavi-Rafsanjani-Khatami trio. As of now, I'm still predicting they will restore order...but not without major concessions to reformers in terms of policy.
 
Kandahar said:
If Rafsanjani decides to directly confront Khamenei, there's a good chance that the Assembly of Experts would line up behind him. According to Wikipedia, at least 65 of the 86-member Assembly are politically close to Rafsanjani. But it's hard to tell if they're close enough to Rafsanjani to take the radical step of deposing the Supreme Leader.

Ahmadinejad refused to guarantee Mousavi's safety today. It seems that the establishment is becoming increasingly rattled by the Mousavi-Rafsanjani-Khatami trio. As of now, I'm still predicting they will restore order...but not without major concessions to reformers in terms of policy.
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Meh the Assembly of Experts are part of the problem with the electoral system of Iran, not the solution. They are the Mullahs.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Meh the Assembly of Experts are part of the problem with the electoral system of Iran, not the solution. They are the Mullahs.
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What's wrong with being a mullah? They aren't all extremists. The clerical establishment is deeply divided over this election. The split between Rafsanjani and Khamenei is merely the most prominent rift.

If they line up behind Rafsanjani and depose Khamenei, Iran suddenly looks a lot less dangerous to the rest of the world. Additionally, Rafsanjani is much more likely than Khamenei to endorse sweeping constitutional changes implementing actual democracy in Iran.
 
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Mousavi is not a moderate or true reformer anyways he is partially responsible for the slaughter of 30,000 political dissidents in the late 80s, true liberty in Iran will only come when parties; such as, Marze Por Gohar are allowed to run.
 
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Kandahar said:
What's wrong with being a mullah?
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Theocracy.

They aren't all extremists.
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In my book an electoral system which is a smokescreen for a theocratic oligarchy is quite extreme.

The clerical establishment is deeply divided over this election.
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I bet, they can smell the burning of molotov cocktails.

The split between Rafsanjani and Khamenei is merely the most prominent rift.

If they line up behind Rafsanjani and depose Khamenei, Iran suddenly looks a lot less dangerous to the rest of the world. Additionally, Rafsanjani is much more likely than Khamenei to endorse sweeping constitutional changes implementing actual democracy in Iran.
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I'll be waiting with baited breath for the Mullahs to release even one iota of their grip.
 
To quote perham, "Iran is like hell"

"the interior ministry controlled by ahmdinejad and with the permission of the supreme leader, faked the votes"

I would add this brave young man was just about to take his finals in law at university, those exams were canceled for the election.

Iran has started to expel foreign reporters.

The INTERNET conections are so weak for the people, they cannot send anything other than emails.

I hope I am not reading to much into his comments, but if the foreign press are removed and the INTERNET is so weak, I dont want to think what will happen.
 
B L Zeebub said:
To quote perham, "Iran is like hell"

"the interior ministry controlled by ahmdinejad and with the permission of the supreme leader, faked the votes"

I would add this brave young man was just about to take his finals in law at university, those exams were canceled for the election.

Iran has started to expel foreign reporters.

The INTERNET conections are so weak for the people, they cannot send anything other than emails.

I hope I am not reading to much into his comments, but if the foreign press are removed and the INTERNET is so weak, I dont want to think what will happen.
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He should keep his head down and his powder dry.
 
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