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Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

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Question was .."what does it take to enforce UN sanctions."

Wouldn't that depend upon "the sanctions" !! As we have seen in the past except for some rare cases UN sanctions are not worth the paper they are written on.
 
If you want to argue against my position why not try to formulate an intelligent aguement instead of farting stupidities out of your mouth to the point that someone will figure out that you may be some typical chicken which us real veterans have absolute contempt for.

I can't find a "position" through all your babbling of paranoid hysteric name calling.
 
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Wouldn't that depend upon "the sanctions" !! As we have seen in the past except for some rare cases UN sanctions are not worth the paper they are written on.

After 10 years of failed negotiations and sanctions. The end point is here.
This is the part where you back up the words with actions.

..and Obama and you are basically doing what Iran expects you to do ..NOTHING but making noise.


Obamachamberlain is busily saying we can talk talk talk more"peace in our time"...while also saying lets apply more sanctions which we won't back up when they ignore them!


Sanctions are worthless after those who apply them have been shown unwilling to enforce the reason for them with military force.

So go ahead TALK BIG...apply Sanctions....watch North Korea/Iran/whomever LAUGH in your face and do whatever they want because they know your full of it.

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I can turn you into a NEOCON1!!! in one second....
Russia invades Ukraine violating UN sanctions what should the USA do about it?
1. sit on its ass pass more reslutions and talk?
2. or say get the hell out or face a war?

You can pick #1 but remember I know you... and know your full of it if you do. :mrgreen:
 
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After 10 years of failed negotiations and sanctions. The end point is here.
This is the part where you back up the words with actions.

..and Obama and you are basically doing what Iran expects you to do ..NOTHING but making noise.


Obamachamberlain is busily saying we can talk talk talk more"peace in our time"...while also saying lets apply more sanctions which we won't back up when they ignore them!


Sanctions are worthless after those who apply them have been shown unwilling to enforce the reason for them with military force.

So go ahead TALK BIG...apply Sanctions....watch North Korea/Iran/whomever LAUGH in your face and do whatever they want because they know your full of it.

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I can turn you into a NEOCON1!!! in one second....
Russia invades Ukraine violating UN sanctions what should the USA do about it?
1. sit on its ass pass more reslutions and talk?
2. or say get the hell out or face a war?

You can pick #1 but remember I know you... and know your full of it if you do. :mrgreen:


I just ID's who you are !!!

The point is this we are in no position to go after Iran militarily and I have, am, and will blame that pin headed bufoon from Texas who got us into the Iraq war. What makes me not a NEOCON is that I knew that invading Iraq was stupid.

We of course needed to go into Afghanistan and I said here and in the other forum that we should have operated in Northern Pakistan unofficially a long time ago.

With our hyper stretched military the best that can do with Iran is try to fomemt a civil war inside the land of The Rotten Pistachio !!!!
 
After 10 years of failed negotiations and sanctions. The end point is here.
This is the part where you back up the words with actions.

..and Obama and you are basically doing what Iran expects you to do ..NOTHING but making noise.


Obamachamberlain is busily saying we can talk talk talk more"peace in our time"...while also saying lets apply more sanctions which we won't back up when they ignore them!


Sanctions are worthless after those who apply them have been shown unwilling to enforce the reason for them with military force.

So go ahead TALK BIG...apply Sanctions....watch North Korea/Iran/whomever LAUGH in your face and do whatever they want because they know your full of it.

/////////////////
I can turn you into a NEOCON1!!! in one second....
Russia invades Ukraine violating UN sanctions what should the USA do about it?
1. sit on its ass pass more reslutions and talk?
2. or say get the hell out or face a war?

You can pick #1 but remember I know you... and know your full of it if you do. :mrgreen:

Damn you sure are good at talking tough. But situational reality seems lost on you. You bellow for war but it appears that you are oblivious to the military situation we are currently in.

We are currently facing a crisis in Korea that bodes potentially far worse than anything we are facing with Iran right now. As much as you run your mouth about Obama "doing nothing" what would you solution really be in this situation? I'd certainly like to hear it General Patton.
 
If the 'good' side could win that would be a good thing if it wasn't for the fact that it would disrupt oil supplies. I would like to see a quick sort of violent but not too violent revolution with the "right wing extremists" being deposed. That would still cause a serious blip in the oild prices but hopefully not too much of a blip.

I think a better (and more likely) outcome would be this:

1. The protesters demand - and eventually receive - a new election, in which Mousavi handily trounces Ahmadinejad.

2. Rafsanjani directly confronts Khamenei, and convinces the Assembly of Experts to send him packing. The Assembly then names Rafsanjani the new Supreme Leader.

3. Rafsanjani, Mousavi, Khatami, and other reformers develop a new constitution, which strips most of the power from the Supreme Leader, mandates popular election of the Supreme Leader, and prohibits any restrictions on which parties/candidates can run for office.

4. Iranian liberals win the next election in a landslide.
 
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BUMAYE I-RAN! BUMAYE I-RAN! Wait....wrong movie...
 
Revolutionary Guards Arrested in Iran - Water Cooler - Washington Times

According to the Cyrus News Agency, Tuesday morning 16 senior members of Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps were arrested. "These commanders have been in contact with members of the Iranian army to join the people's movement," CNA reports. "Three of the commanders are veterans of Iran-Iraq war. They have been moved to an undisclosed location in East Tehran." This report has not been confirmed by other sources. If true, it shows that the regime is losing the loyalty of some members of its control appartus, which is necessary if the opposition has any chance of achieving fundamental change. Mass rallies can easily be broken up and revolutions crushed, as we saw at Tiananmen Square in 1989. But if members of the armed forces, police and especially Revolutionary Guards decided to switch sides, then one can begin speaking of revolution.

Folk, this might be getting interesting.....
 
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran 'to hold election recount'

Iran's powerful Guardian Council says it is ready to recount disputed votes from Friday's presidential poll.


Will be very interesting to see the results and how it differs
Gotta wonder if they'll actually show the real results, change it to be a closer and more reasonable victory
for Ahmadonjihad or just leave it as it is.
I'd bet on the second option.
 
Gotta wonder if they'll actually show the real results, change it to be a closer and more reasonable victory
for Ahmadonjihad or just leave it as it is.
I'd bet on the second option.

I bet on the second opinion also, and send best wishes and sympathies to our Persian readers. The birth of democracy is often messy, and not made any easier by the intervention of mullahs. This is why we in America keep religion separated from government.
 
We have set up a blog to follow the events as they unfold. We're working as hard as we can to bring it up to date and keep it there, so please check in regularly and be patient:
Rise of The Iranian People

I'd also like to once again encourage everyone to join our Facebook group and invite everyone that you know to spread the word:
Solidarity With The Iranian People! | Facebook
 
I don't think the western world should underestimate the significance of today in Iran.

Putting all anti-Obama spin aside (because this is far, far bigger and more significant than partisan politics), the following is a good article.

Faster, Please! So How’s it Going in Iran?

To start with, the BBC, long considered a shill for the regime by most Iranian dissidents, estimates between one and two million Tehranis demonstrated against the regime on Monday. That’s a big number. So we can say that, at least for the moment, there is a revolutionary mass in the streets of Tehran. There are similar reports from places like Tabriz and Isfahan, so it’s nationwide.

For its part, the regime ordered its (Basij and imported Hezbollah) thugs to open fire on the demonstrators. The Guardian, whose reporting from Iran has always been very good (three correspondents expelled in the last ten years, they tell me), thinks that a dozen or so were killed on Monday. And the reports of brutal assaults against student dormitories in several cities are horrifying, even by the mullahs’ low standards.

What’s going to happen?, you ask. Nobody knows, even the major actors. The regime has the guns, and the opposition has the numbers. The question is whether the numbers can be successfully organized into a disciplined force that demands the downfall of the regime. Yes, I know that there have been calls for a new election, or a runoff between Mousavi and Ahmadinezhad. But I don’t think that’s very likely now. The tens of millions of Iranians whose pent-up rage has driven them to risk life and limb against their oppressors are not likely to settle for a mere change in personnel at this point. And the mullahs surely know that if they lose, many of them will face a very nasty and very brief future.

If the disciplined force comes into being, the regime will fall. If not, the regime will survive. Can Mousavi lead such a force?

....In any event, all of that is irrelevant now. The only thing that matters is winning and losing. Whatever plans Mousavi had for a gradual transformation of the Islamic Republic, they have been overtaken by events; the issue now is the survival of the system. Mousavi has called for a general strike on Tuesday. That is the right strategy, since he must demonstrate that the overwhelming majority of Iranians want an end to the regime. And the dissidents must show that they are not afraid of the thugs. Mousavi has said that they must use flowers, not guns, since he must aim at the disintegration of the armed killers, not at winning a gunfight.


There are reports of members of the Revolutionary Guards defecting to the dissidents. There is this report from an Iranian website (the only place i’ve seen it) according to which 16 senior Revolutionary Guards officials have been arrested:

“These commanders have been in contact with members of the Iranian army to join the people’s movement. Three of the commanders are veterans of Iran-Iraq war. They have been moved to an undisclosed location in East Tehran.”

If true, it’s very important, but, as I have often noted, the regime has distrusted them for some time. The young Islamic revolutionaries of the late 1970s are now middle aged, and do not wish to slaughter their neighbors. That is why the mullahs have imported killers from abroad: the five thousand or so Hezbollahis who, according to Der Spiegel, have been brought in from Lebanon and Syria. Dissidents on Twitter report clashes with security forces who do not speak Farsi, and there are even some rumors suggesting that Chavez has sent some of his toughs from Venezuela. Who knows?

The other great threat to the regime comes from the upper reaches of the clergy. Do not be surprised to see some senior ayatollahs denounce the regime; many have done so in the past (Ayatollah Montazeri has been under house arrest for years, and Ayatollah Boroujerdi has been subjected to horrible torture for criticizing the lack of freedom in Iran). We are still quite early in this process.

But the key element is the people. They are only just beginning to understand the reality of their situation. Virtually none of them imagined that they would be in a revolutionary confrontation with the regime just two days after the electoral circus, and few of them can realize, so soon, that they can actually change the world. I think the Mousavis now understand it (they know that they are either going to win or be destroyed). It remains to be seen if they can instruct and inspire the movement.

Much will depend on their ability to communicate. The regime has been waging a cyberwar against the dissidents, shutting down websites, cell phones, Facebook, and the like. As most people have learned, the basic communiations tool is Twitter, which somehow continues to function. Bigtime Kudos to Twitter, by the way, for postponing its planned maintenance so that the Iranians can continue to Tweet. Would that Google were so solicitous of freedom.

We don’t know who’s going to win. The Iranian people know that they’re on their own; they aren’t going to get any help from us, or the United Nations, or the Europeans. But paradoxically, this lack of support may strengthen their will. There is no cavalry on the horizon. If they are going to prevail, they and their unlikely leaders will have to gut it out by themselves. God be with them.
 
ICC Press in Turkey: Mass Demonstrations in Iran: “Tanks, bullets, guards, nothing can stop us!” Rise of The Iranian People

Of course, Al Jazeera is parroting the "Mullah Party Line:"
Demonstrations at three Tehran universities turned violent, and protesters attacked police and revolutionary guards. The police have sealed off important sites and in turn protesters have attacked shops, government offices, police stations, police vehicles, gas stations and banks.

No mention at all that the people of Iran have been attacked by police, militia, and the Revolutionary Guard.
 
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As most people have learned, the basic communiations tool is Twitter, which somehow continues to function. Bigtime Kudos to Twitter, by the way, for postponing its planned maintenance so that the Iranians can continue to Tweet. Would that Google were so solicitous of freedom.

So evil can be used for good...
 
ICC Press in Turkey: Mass Demonstrations in Iran: “Tanks, bullets, guards, nothing can stop us!” Rise of The Iranian People

Of course, Al Jazeera is parroting the "Mullah Party Line:"


No mention at all that the people of Iran have been attacked by police, militia, and the Revolutionary Guard.

I suspect that the police do view it as being attacked. These things once they get out of hand get ugly, and everybody feels like the world is out to get them kinda thing.
 
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Apologies for that; we weren't given a link when we posted it. However, I've found a link here. When we received the article it was not yet posted on their website. I've updated the page to include a link to the source. Thanks for catching that.

I didn't realize that was your website! Well done!
 
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