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    Re: Mousavi Arrested Protest Mounts

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    I would hope that their storeis be neither pro nor anti-Israeli but the facts.
    In a government where it is almost illegal to proclaim anything but pro-Israeli? Are you kidding me.

    They have made it illegal to say that Israel was wrong in how it was founded.

    How is that Free Speech?

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    Re: Reports: Turmoil grips Iran as reform candidate arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    We have tried to be friendly and we have tried to work things out. Aminajackoff and his terrorist buddies are not interested in peace. They are interested in supporting terrorism and the destruction of Israel.

    Aminajackoff, The Ayetolietbowl, and the mullah-whores have fixed an election. This is UNACCEPTABLE. The Ayetoiletbowl is a terrorist asshole, the mullahs are little more than a corrupt group of religious gangsters, and the government of Iran is a relic that needs to be smashed into a thousand pieces and then replaced with a modern government that suits the people of Iran.
    So we should invade Saudi Arabia then :P

    You can't just say that a nation is ruled by gangsters and that warrants invasion.

    I do really wish that the Iranian regime was toppled, because this ellection shows that it is exactly the same as a dictatorship, it needs to be taken down one way or another.

    But I suppose rebellion by the Iranians does allow them to pick the government that they want though. I think that will come eventually, even if actions by us could speed that up.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I'm not. We are not the world's policeman, and we should avoid these kinds of foreign entanglements at all costs. Should we support the efforts of the people of Iran to topple their government? Absolutely, but it is ultimately up to them to do so.
    Like I said, if we invade Iran with the full force that is being used in Afganisan and Iraq, then it can possibly be a semi-quick suscess and we won't need a long foreign entanglement like in Iraq.


    Just curious, do you think Iran's population has the political culture to support democracy? Because if that is the case, then we would only need to topple the Iranian government, (which will be easy enough) and the Iranians can then create their own government without much effort from us.


    I just think it is greedy to say that in general, we can't sacrifice our soldiers and resources to help people around the world. I support foreign aid which means that I also will support intervention under good circumstances.

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    Re: Reports: Turmoil grips Iran as reform candidate arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    As Americans, we should do no more than the support the right of Iranians to the government of their choice. The Islamic Republic was installed by the popular will of the Iranian people 30 years ago, and if it is to be toppled, it will be again by the popular will of the Iranian people.

    America especially should not be seen meddling in Iran's internal politics. Iran is a sovereign nation and we should respect their right to work out their own political issues.
    But do you think that the government has moved out from the will of the Iranian people?

    Even after the revolution, the theocratic establishment has stood in the way of the popular will of the people. I get the feeling that most Iranians want all of their government to be ellected. Even if they support religious policies, they can legimatily push that forward by the democratic proscess.

    Hell, anti gay marriage legislation is religious views, but those can legimately molded into our government. I imagine an idea Iranian government would have more of that, but with a good government framework.

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    Re: Mousavi Arrested Protest Mounts

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Does anyone have a credible source about this arrest of Mousavi ? I just don't buy anything that Isaeli sources have to say about Iran.
    I searched and found little in the way of sources that aren't blogs.

    What have you found?

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    Re: Reports: Turmoil grips Iran as reform candidate arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    So we should invade Saudi Arabia then :P

    You can't just say that a nation is ruled by gangsters and that warrants invasion.

    I do really wish that the Iranian regime was toppled, because this ellection shows that it is exactly the same as a dictatorship, it needs to be taken down one way or another.

    But I suppose rebellion by the Iranians does allow them to pick the government that they want though. I think that will come eventually, even if actions by us could speed that up.



    Like I said, if we invade Iran with the full force that is being used in Afganisan and Iraq, then it can possibly be a semi-quick suscess and we won't need a long foreign entanglement like in Iraq.


    Just curious, do you think Iran's population has the political culture to support democracy? Because if that is the case, then we would only need to topple the Iranian government, (which will be easy enough) and the Iranians can then create their own government without much effort from us.


    I just think it is greedy to say that in general, we can't sacrifice our soldiers and resources to help people around the world. I support foreign aid which means that I also will support intervention under good circumstances.
    The young in Iran actually like the US a lot.
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    Re: Reports: Turmoil grips Iran as reform candidate arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The young in Iran actually like the US a lot.
    I know. So... I am saying that maybe that means that Iranians now WANT a democratic government, when they may not be willing to actually rebell for it yet.

    That may not be true, but if it is, then that is a time when there should be possible invasion.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    With respect to the ruthlessness of the Iranian regime, The Sunday Times reported:

    Iran's hardline leaders warned last night that they would crush dissent after opposition supporters protesting against their candidate’s defeat in disputed presidential elections clashed with riot police on the streets of Tehran...

    Clashes continued late into the night and fires of rubbish burnt as thousands of militiamen armed with knives and truncheons swarmed through the city in motorcycle packs of about 20. Lorries laden with riot police roamed the streets.


    Finally, the newspaper also revealed that a private poll had indicated that Mousavi would win 58% of the vote.
    Yes, the ayetoiletbowl and his cronies indeed fixed the election. Therefore, international condemnation and extreme pressure until they give in and conduct a fair, non-fraudulent election.

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    Re: Reports: Turmoil grips Iran as reform candidate arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    So we should invade Saudi Arabia then :P

    You can't just say that a nation is ruled by gangsters and that warrants invasion.

    I do really wish that the Iranian regime was toppled, because this ellection shows that it is exactly the same as a dictatorship, it needs to be taken down one way or another.

    But I suppose rebellion by the Iranians does allow them to pick the government that they want though. I think that will come eventually, even if actions by us could speed that up.
    No, we will deal with the Saudis by freeing ourselves from their oil. We can then drive their asses to poverty. They will then receive punishment, inflation adjusted since 1900, for their support of terrorism.

    I agree that we need to topple Iran's government. We need to allow the Iranian people to choose a government that is fair to them. I would hope they would choose to make certain that their new government does not include mullahs, ayetoiletbowls, or Aminademonjihad.

    Moreover, I think we could lend the Iranians a hand by neutralizing the Iranian Republican Guard. This will leave the current terrorist government defenseless against the people.

    The people in Iran need to continue to riot and protest until the mullahs, the ayeitoiletbowl, and the rest of the terrorists are in fear for their lives.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Its still going hot and heavy in Iran not much getting out except Twitter.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Its still going hot and heavy in Iran not much getting out except Twitter.

    The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan
    Good.

    Hopefully, Aminajackoff and his butt-buddies will get the message.

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