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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Who cares?
    If it makes the people rebel the regime, it's good for the West.
    If it gets all the young people slaughtered, who is it good for?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

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    If it gets all the young people slaughtered, who is it good for?
    I was kinda speaking on the concept of a different Iran, and not on the trail of corpses that will lead to it.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I was kinda speaking on the concept of a different Iran, and not on the trail of corpses that will lead to it.
    Unfortunately, the most likely result of a revolution in Iran would be a trail of corpses and no change.

    Also, I think you have to take into consideration things like trails of corpses when you suggest an action.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Unfortunately, the most likely result of a revolution in Iran would be a trail of corpses and no change.
    How can a result of a revolution be "no change"?
    That doesn't make sense, revolution is change.
    Also, I think you have to take into consideration things like trails of corpses when you suggest an action.
    Good things are worth fighting and dying for.
    I remind you that America's birth was full of corpses.
    And besides, the current Iranian regime will lead its nation to a war that would probably cause even more corpses than the rebellion.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    How can a result of a revolution be "no change"?
    That doesn't make sense, revolution is change.
    Only if successful.

    Good things are worth fighting and dying for.
    I remind you that America's birth was full of corpses.
    And besides, the current Iranian regime will lead its nation to war, that would probably cause even more corpses.
    All true, but that does not mean we can discount those corpses.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Only if successful.
    And we hope that it will.
    Just because there's a chance for it to fail doesn't mean that we shouldn't encourage the protesters.
    All true, but that does not mean we can discount those corpses.
    Nobody discounts them, they are taken into mind.
    The result would totally worth it.

    What you are saying is almost like saying that we shouldn't send our soldiers to fight terrorists because they might die.
    The protesters take the risk of death, just like the soldiers, in order to change.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    And we hope that it will.
    Just because there's a chance for it to fail doesn't mean that we shouldn't encourage the protesters.
    Nobody discounts them, they are taken into mind.
    The result would totally worth it.

    What you are saying is almost like saying that we shouldn't send our soldiers to fight terrorists because they might die.
    The protesters take the risk of death, just like the soldiers, in order to change.
    That is not what I am saying. I am saying that I believe a revolution in Iran at this time is almost certain to fail, and no one gains.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is not what I am saying. I am saying that I believe a revolution in Iran at this time is almost certain to fail, and no one gains.
    I don't think we can speak of its chance to succeed at the present.
    We'll just have to wait and see.
    Besides, it's not even our call.
    The Iranian people desire a change and we will be there in the background to give them our support.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is not what I am saying. I am saying that I believe a revolution in Iran at this time is almost certain to fail, and no one gains.
    Revolutions succeed when the people are possessed of sufficient will and not one moment sooner.

    Whether that moment is now in Iran is something only the Iranians can determine.

    If the protests continue, if there are repeated strikes, if the tensions continue, the revolution will succeed, and the Islamic Republic will fall.

    This time may very well be the time for revolution to succeed in Iran.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Revolutions succeed when the people are possessed of sufficient will and not one moment sooner.

    Whether that moment is now in Iran is something only the Iranians can determine.

    If the protests continue, if there are repeated strikes, if the tensions continue, the revolution will succeed, and the Islamic Republic will fall.

    This time may very well be the time for revolution to succeed in Iran.
    It takes a bit more than just will. It takes leadership and weapons as well, to name just a couple.

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