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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Not to mention the 95%+ voter turnout in over 200 districts which is simply statistically impossible.
    we had even some 120%+ turnouts. mostly with 110%+ voting for ahmadinejad!!

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    The crackdown begins.

    Iran Riot Police Clash With Thousands of Protesters in Bloody Tehran Crackdown - Iran | Map | News - FOXNews.com

    TEHRAN Witnesses said police beat protesters and fired tear gas and water cannons at thousands who rallied in Tehran Saturday in open defiance of Iran's clerical government, sharply escalating the most serious internal conflict since the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

    The eyewitnesses described fierce clashes near Revolution Square in central Tehran after some 3,000 protesters chanted "Death to the dictator!" and "Death to dictatorship!" Police responded with tear gas and water cannons.

    The witnesses told The Associated Press that between 50 and 60 protesters were seriously beaten by police and pro-government militia and taken to Imam Khomeini hospital in central Tehran. People could be seen dragging away comrades bloodied by baton strikes.

    Helicopters hovered over central Tehran. Ambulance sirens echoed through the streets and black smoke rose over the city.

    Tehran University was cordoned off by police and militia while students inside the university chanted "death to the dictator," witnesses said.

    English-language state TV said a blast at the Tehran shrine of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini had killed one persona and wounded two but the report could not be independently confirmed due to government restrictions on independent reporting.
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    Re: The crackdown begins.

    Last edited by youknowwho; 06-20-09 at 02:43 PM.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    It's strange. I almost feel a slight sense of country jealousy. I wish this many people cared when people where being bloodied and trampled at our RNC and DNC.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    It's strange. I almost feel a slight sense of country jealousy. I wish this many people cared when people where being bloodied and trampled at our RNC and DNC.
    Do you honestly think that is even close to being the same thing?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Under Pressure, Obama Calls on Iran to End Violence, 'Unjust' Actions.

    President Obama on Saturday called on the Iranian government to "stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people" amid calls for the White House to go further in showing support for the Iranian people after the country's disputed elections.

    Republicans, in particular, have pressed Obama to speak out more forcefully, as protesters and authorities clashed Saturday in Tehran during a government crackdown.

    "The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights," Obama said in a written statement.

    Obama also referred back to his speech this month to the Muslim world, saying "suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. The Iranian people will ultimately judge the actions of their own government. If the Iranian government seeks the respect of the international community, it must respect the dignity of its own people and govern through consent, not coercion."

    And Obama cited the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s, famous quote: "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice."

    "I believe that," Obama said. "The international community believes that. And right now, we are bearing witness to the Iranian peoples' belief in that truth, and we will continue to bear witness."
    Let's keep up the pressure. Given that the regime's thugs have started using axes and daggers against the protesters prior to this statement by Obama, I think my position that his words wouldn't usher in a crackdown has been vindicated.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Under Pressure, Obama Calls on Iran to End Violence, 'Unjust' Actions - Political News - FOXNews.com

    President Obama on Saturday called on the Iranian government to "stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people" amid calls for the White House to go further in showing support for the Iranian people after the country's disputed elections.
    Why could he not have said this sooner?

    "The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights," Obama said in a written statement.
    Why did he not say this sooner?

    Dear Leader is playing catch-up.

    There's No False Choice on Iran
    The next day, with hordes of demonstrators in the streets of Tehran and other Iranian cities, Obama insisted, "it's not productive, given the history of U.S.-Iranian relations, to be seen as meddling, the U.S. president meddling in Iranian elections." Besides, he said Khamenei "indicates he understands the Iranian people have deep concerns about the election." Less than three days later, he declared the election results legitimate.
    Had Dear Leader spoken forcefully about the rights of assembly and free speech last weekend, might Khameni rethought his calculus vis-a-vis Ahamenijad?

    When Navy sharpshooters, with Obama's permission, shot Somali pirates and rescued an American ship captain, the president got well-deserved credit for smooth handling of a minor emergency. He was active and energetic when the stakes were small.

    In Iran, the stakes are large, though you wouldn't know it from Obama's passive and ineffective response. He acts as if his choice of what to do in Iran is too difficult, too fraught with danger, for him to decide. It's not. A stronger president would see the choice as false.
    Dear Leader should have, from the very first, reminded the world that, in the US, at least,

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
    The American position on Iran has already been stated--on July 4, 1776.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Do you honestly think that is even close to being the same thing?
    It wasn't even remotely close to the same.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post

    Why could he not have said this sooner?

    Why did he not say this sooner?

    Dear Leader is playing catch-up.
    I agree, he is playing catch up and while I'm glad he's saying something now, I'm very disappointed that the didn't do this days ago. But I'll take what I can get at this point.


    Had Dear Leader spoken forcefully about the rights of assembly and free speech last weekend, might Khameni rethought his calculus vis-a-vis Ahamenijad?
    No, I don't think it would have made any difference in how Khameni backed his dog.

    Dear Leader should have, from the very first, reminded the world that, in the US, at least,
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
    The American position on Iran has already been stated--on July 4, 1776.
    You'll find no argument with me on this at all.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by youknowwho View Post
    we had even some 120%+ turnouts. mostly with 110%+ voting for ahmadinejad!!
    And the protests and murders go into Saturday and still the U.S. sits here idle unwilling to back this freedom movement. One wonders what would have happened had the French been so cavalier in supporting our own revolution.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 06-20-09 at 09:27 PM.

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