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Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

The question is, has Jimmy Carter went over there yet to give his blessing on a fair election. Everyone should know it's not valid unless Carter says it is.
 
With respect to the geopolitical consequences of what Mahmoud Ahmadinejad views as a sweeping "victory," already the Iranian President is signaling a more implacable and confrontational posture toward the international community. Today, CNN reported:

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a press conference Sunday portrayed his surprise victory in Iran's presidential election as a victory for the Iranian people over foreign powers.

"The era of a few countries making decisions for the rest of the world has come to an end," he said.

With respect to the nuclear issue, the BBC reported:

Asked about Iran's nuclear programme and Tehran's relations with foreign powers, he said the nuclear debate "belongs to the past", and said Iran had "embraced" the idea of an international effort to eliminate nuclear weapons.

In other words, Iran has no intention of changing course on the nuclear issue and Ahmadinejad's rhetoric suggests that prospects for diplomacy may have diminished in the wake of the election. Barring coercive sanctions e.g., the kind that limit Iran's ability to sell oil on the world market and would have a substantial economic impact on Iran's economy, the Iranian regime may give little or no ground on the nuclear issue in the months ahead.
 
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Some of the slogans they are chanting:

"Iranians with courage, stand with us!"

"Tear out our problem by its roots!" [referring to the government]

"Death to the dictator!"

"Mousavi, Mousavi, give me back my vote!"

Here are some pictures:

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Look at that, they are burning one of their own, not an American. Interesting.
 
Tashah said:
The scale of the fraud committed here is simply astounding.
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and in 6 months all the apologists for barbarity will be saying, "but look -- he was elected democratically!"

well, actually, THEY would say "look, he was democratically elected", but that's just quibbling.
 
B L Zeebub said:
Tashah Perham and I were good mates for a long time at PF( he got perma/banned after me) we both never found it strange that an atheist Jew and a Muslim can be friends, we respected each others belief in the freedom of individual to control there own destiny in life without fear.

He knows I cannot prey for him, but he knows I am with him.
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Perhan's a good guy.

Whenever some numbnut goes on and on about wanting to nuke Iran, I can't help but think of all the Perhans there.
 
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The Mark said:
To much of this sort of thing might result in a civil war.
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Good.

About damn time.
It's the only way they'll be able to get rid of the puckheads.

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Re: Reports: Turmoil grips Iran as reform candidate arrested

F107HyperSabr said:
You really have to like the way the Mullahs had the election count done by just after midnight and only hours after the 'polls' closed and they do not have one mechanical much less electronic voting machine in the entire country. So the Mullahs mulled over the count for a few minutes and declared the bad guy the winne by 2:1 margin.

Ya gotta love them Mullah guys.
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you beat me to it.....the count was determined ahead of time.
The only way Iran will ever have honest elections is to first kill all the mullahs.
 
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UtahBill said:
you beat me to it.....the count was determined ahead of time.
The only way Iran will ever have honest elections is to first kill all the mullahs.
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I'm still amazed the ballot-stuffing was this bad. The mullahs have shown they know how to rig elections....how'd they manage to screw this one this badly?
 
It would be nice to hope that this will lead to significant change in Iran, but I'm not that optimistic.
 
Moon said:
It would be nice to hope that this will lead to significant change in Iran, but I'm not that optimistic.
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I'm not sure significant change in Iran is necessarily for the better.

Rebellions tend to produce more French Revolutions than American Revolutions. I take no comfort at the prospect of a nuclear armed equivalent of The Committee for Public Safety. I would prefer the mullahs, who at least are predictable in their hatreds.
 
celticlord said:
I'm not sure significant change in Iran is necessarily for the better.

Rebellions tend to produce more French Revolutions than American Revolutions. I take no comfort at the prospect of a nuclear armed equivalent of The Committee for Public Safety. I would prefer the mullahs, who at least are predictable in their hatreds.
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I'd rather the people be able to choose their own direction. Seeing as the turnout was so high for this election, it would be nice if their votes actually counted for something.
 
Perham has contacted me he is okay and sitting tight, he said there is civil unrest in all major cities were the people believe Mousavi got 21 million votes against the bastards 11 million.

He says the police are everywhere and they are using extreme violence on the protesters.
 
B L Zeebub said:
Perham has contacted me he is okay and sitting tight, he said there is civil unrest in all major cities were the people believe Mousavi got 21 million votes against the bastards 11 million.
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This is definitely cause for real concern. Rioting in just Tehran would be quickly and completely squelched. If riots are occurring across Iran, that is a far larger challenge to the mullahs and Ahamenijad than their public statements suggest.

This either dies down quickly or boils over into full-on rebellion.

Can any news sources confirm Perham's report? I haven't seen any yet.

Edit to add: Glad Perham's ok. Tell him to keep his head down and avoid random flying bullets.
 
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The Mark said:
To much of this sort of thing might result in a civil war.
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Not a civil war, a rebellion. It's happened before in Iran. Remember 1979? There is a "Velvet Revolution" in Iran right now. And the government has sworn to crush it. That is the mistake that will spell their downfall. The student movement will prevail again, only this time for a better Iran.
 
Lerxst said:
Not a civil war, a rebellion. It's happened before in Iran. Remember 1979? There is a "Velvet Revolution" in Iran right now. And the government has sworn to crush it. That is the mistake that will spell their downfall. The student movement will prevail again, only this time for a better Iran.
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Riots and riot police are not a "Velvet Revolution". This is more Romania than Czechoslovakia.
 
celticlord said:
Riots and riot police are not a "Velvet Revolution". This is more Romania than Czechoslovakia.
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First of all, don't waste your time trying to school me on this. I'm well aware of what a Velvet Revolution is.

I'm not referring to these particular riots as a Velvet Revolution. I'm referring to the underground movement by reformers within the religious and academic communities in Iran. The student movements. Quiet, peaceful rebellion to the theological dictatorship that is running Iran. It's widespread and it's an obvious threat to the Iranian government.
 
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BaZaRr BeAtZ said:
Hey, this kind of reminds me of what happened back during the 2000-2001 American presidential polls.....well without the violence of course....but almost the same type of corruption. Anyone else see scary similarities?

At least it's a good thing to know that America isn't the only government which is corrupt.
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Well, in the 2000 election, the bad guys trying to steal the presidential election lost.

Hopefully Ahmadaboudajihad will fail just like the Democrats did.
 
Re: Mousavi Arrested Protest Mounts

F107HyperSabr said:
I would hope that their storeis be neither pro nor anti-Israeli but the facts.

If Mousavi was arrested by the Mullah mafia I think that in the long run this will come back to bite the Hullah Mullahs in the backside of their robes. Such an act is political foolishness in the long run.

Look at all of the scum bucket countries and empires that surpressed freedoms of their pple - USSR, ETC ventually the scum buckets lose.
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I would hope that you have some idea about that which you speak before you speak.
 
celticlord said:
This is definitely cause for real concern. Rioting in just Tehran would be quickly and completely squelched. If riots are occurring across Iran, that is a far larger challenge to the mullahs and Ahamenijad than their public statements suggest.

This either dies down quickly or boils over into full-on rebellion.

Can any news sources confirm Perham's report? I haven't seen any yet.

Edit to add: Glad Perham's ok. Tell him to keep his head down and avoid random flying bullets.
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Thank you, please read my post 126 in the Tikki bar it has a little more information, he also said he would tell me more important news soon.
 
celticlord said:
This is definitely cause for real concern. Rioting in just Tehran would be quickly and completely squelched. If riots are occurring across Iran, that is a far larger challenge to the mullahs and Ahamenijad than their public statements suggest.

This either dies down quickly or boils over into full-on rebellion.

Can any news sources confirm Perham's report? I haven't seen any yet.

Edit to add: Glad Perham's ok. Tell him to keep his head down and avoid random flying bullets.
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Here is a link to a story which confirms rioting in Tehran, Shiraz, Mashad and Rasht. I sure hope the rioting continues to spread and grow in intensity. Ahmademonjihad, the supreme leader Ali Khamenei need to be removed from power. The Iranian velvet rvolution is growing stronger as time goes on. Irans young long for freedom. They out number the theocrats and if they are not all rounded up, imprisoned or executed then eventually freedom will come to Iran.

Civil unrest in Iranian cities after Ahmadinejad declares victory - Wikinews, the free news source
 
Lerxst said:
Not a civil war, a rebellion. It's happened before in Iran. Remember 1979? There is a "Velvet Revolution" in Iran right now. And the government has sworn to crush it. That is the mistake that will spell their downfall. The student movement will prevail again, only this time for a better Iran.
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I wouldn't count on it. These sort of mass protests tend to peter out after a few days/weeks a lot more often than they result in the collapse of the government. My guess is that the theocracy will restore order, although I would like to be proven wrong on this.
 
Oftencold said:
You've successfully pointed out an irrelevancy.

Your next step will likely be to publicly espouse Truther Dogma and connect it to the riots in Tehran.

We await baited breath.
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Uhh....:confused:

Not really sure what you mean.

With baited breath you await baited breath?:mrgreen:
 
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